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Yes, I got the same in my post above

If he has KK and JJ, he would need to do this with 3 combos of AA (or really 3 combos of any hand) for this to be roughly profitable

Keep in mind this doesn't really matter in outlier spots. Not interested in needing to find 3 combos just so that I can make a 200bb call worth about 2bb in EV in a spot that comes up near-never.

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07-26-2021 , 04:16 PM

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PokerPlayingGamble

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this guy took two to the face with 27 pre. what's really more likely, he found a masterful river over bet shove with the nut boat, or he made some doofus move with a hand we beat.

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07-26-2021 , 04:20 PM

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sdfsgf

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IMO overbet jamming river with the nuts is really obvious and any moron can do it. If anything I’d call jamming river as a bluff here the more “masterful” move (it got OP to fold the ~fourth nuts even after turn checked through!)

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07-26-2021 , 04:32 PM

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Amanaplan

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Originally Posted by sdfsgf

The guy has to have zero relative hand strength ability AND be a maniac. Neither of which are masterful. I'd rather fold J9/22/QT and call w JJ/99.

More likely, the guy knows that QT got there, so he feels free to now rip his boats. 22 is even more unlikely than K9 here too, assuming there are 2 suited combos left of that. Just so heavy JJ/KK it's really not even close to me.

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07-26-2021 , 05:21 PM

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sdfsgf

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Right, I think we agree. My point wasn’t that jamming here with worse would be a good play. It’s just that any moron can jam with the nuts (and so it’s somewhat more likely that’s what he has) while it takes a special/uncommon type of moron to do this with worse.

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07-26-2021 , 05:28 PM

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OmahaDonk

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I am surprised how many people are ok with pf call. Are we calling 63s too? Can make 2 pair, straights, and flushes

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07-26-2021 , 05:31 PM

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Imjustrunningbad

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The biggest blunder I made this hand was checking the turn.

Terrible play by me. The only reason I called PF was because I folded for like 2 hours straight and it was terrible for the game. I thought it was bad but not horrible given this V

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07-26-2021 , 05:33 PM

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gobbledygeek

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I think J9o has a fair chance at being best when us and someone else make hands we're both willing to get some money in with. 63s not as much. But for just 1.6% of our stack and on the button, if we play ok postflop, then I just can't see it being a huge mistake. Folding is obviously fine too though.

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07-26-2021 , 05:45 PM

#34

Nippleman

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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk

I am surprised how many people are ok with pf call. Are we calling 63s too? Can make 2 pair, straights, and flushes

Are you really comparing J9 to 63?

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07-26-2021 , 06:25 PM

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Amanaplan

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Yea pre is bad as an overcall, esp if you've been tight/forced to be tight so far. It's really not that uncommon to get dealt out for hours, so don't make a common mistake overcalling pre with a very rough combo to handle post. It's just overall so much better to have JJ/99/22 as 100% pre calls and have to use as your often-gii range.

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07-26-2021 , 07:33 PM

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johnny_on_the_spot

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

Justifying a marginal hand as a call because it’s an extremely small % of our stacks is a dangerous game to start playing, especially a marginal hand playing multi-way.

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07-27-2021 , 12:09 PM

#37

gobbledygeek

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@ johnny

I know it's probably too old school to be relevant any more to the cool kids, but I'm fine with the HOC way of thinking that a large part of our strategy should be to see flops for cheap in position with speculative hands.

So in this case here, I would base my action on the raiser + callers. My default is to actually nitty fold something like this to a raise, and if I considered everyone in the hand a fairly solid player I'd probably stick with that default. However, if I felt that anyone in the mix was a real drooler, I'm definitely leaning towards making the call in this spot. I'm not going to hate on either play.

GcluelessNLnoobG

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