Hi all,

V1: new player. Don’t know much about him. Middle aged guy. Hasn’t really played any hands in the hour he has been at the table.

H: same. Card dead. Nothing exciting I only have like 265 to start and V covers

OTTH: I open HJ to 12 V calls Cutoff SB calls BB JAMs his 31 I call all others call

(128) Flop 2h 7h 4s

I bet 50

V calls SB FOLDS so we have a side pot of 100 now

Turn Qd check check??



River 5s

We just decide to jam river for like 1.8x pot

Thoughts?

85 pre.

I really like raising to iso the small jam pre. We look super nutted and remaining players' ranges are weak.

As played I'd bet flop larger with plans to jam the turn. Would jam this turn card.

Agree with persianpunisher that it’s better to jam turn than river. We’re going to get snapped off by any Ace in this river. What are we repping here after checking this turn?

Also agree with Amanaplan that it’s better to raise to isolate than flat and cap yourself preflop. The river jam looks implausible after our preflop line and turn check.

Iso pre

/thread

Jam turn, bet flop more
What range are you guys 4b isoing here, nearly all of your opening range?

Yes. We need <20% equity.

Thank you guys!

This helps a lot actually. I played the hand very poorly in my opinion.

I definitely cap myself here just flat calling. How bad is the river jam on a board that I would never do this with with like KK OR AA

I just thought it was an exploitable shove and he would have to have like all sets or straights to call

I’m hindsight as played betting turn is 100x better than betting river

The more I play, the more I'm not in love with the preflop raise in this spot. We're only in the HJ and there's still an ok chance we'll end up OOP (which we did). The BB is short and we basically start kicking ourselves if he gets involved in a raised pot (or shoves like he does). If a bunch of people call (which happened, standard?) we're left with a small SPR (this hand favours large SPRs). If everyone is a moron, I actually lean to mostly open limping here. A fold is nitty, but I also think it's perfectly fine especially in non-moron line ups (unless one of the blinds is a real mark).

I think facing the preflop all-in 3bet it's a fold. One of the others behind us could get creative. We know we'll likely be OOP. We're going to be in an extremely low SPR pot (which is very meh with this hand). ETA: With the relatively big dead money in the pot I agree that a 4bet idea is much better than a flat.

I think I jam the flop. I don't think we'll ever be able to fold, we should have ok equity, we should have FE against the others not all-in. Although this might be questionable since we obviously have no FE against the BB and it's highly unlikely J high is good. But I think you could argue this is simply a value bet and perhaps protects some of our equity (such as freeing up J/T outs against dominating hands that will now fold). Not really sure what the point of an in-between small bet is which will leave us with < PSB for the turn?

River you've counted the pot wrong as we have < PSB left. J high is rarely going to win the side pot and so I don't think I hate it.

Gwholehandismeh,imoG

I think the problem as played is what hand is flatting the AI, betting this flop and checking this turn with these stacks? I guess only A8, 66-88, maybe 99 or TT, and flush draws or 56s (FD and SD that should have bet but didn't). None of the above made hands are shoving this river.

I think if the V is calling $50 on the flop he has a lot of hands that can call this river shove since it's a weird line with a hand that is super strong (except if H binked the river with 55).

I agree that our line doesn't make much sense, but villain looks like he has a very weak hand himself (or perhaps even a better busted draw) that is still going to have a hard time calling a shove (with the main pot protected by the all-in). Not loving it but not hating it either.

GcluelessNLnoobG

point is that I think we are getting called by almost everything except a completely busted draw (unless the V is a weak passive f/f player). If V is weak passive f/f player, then it's a really good bet because V isn't thinking about lines anyway.