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06-21-2018 , 10:38 PM
Hero stack = $400 V2 Stack = $200

2 limpers before hero in MP hero raises A5d to $15
2 v call + 2 limpers.

A5Q $79

-V1 checks
-V2 bets $10 (image just sat down Asian Male early 20s Played one hand didn't go to showdown. Bet sizing definitely weird into 4 players your not really trying to get anyone to fold with this and you're not getting other draws to pay for there draw this makes me think he could have the K and is not afraid of another heart. Possibly a blocker bet?.)
-Hero calls
-Everyone else folds

6 $99

V bets $25
Hero calls $25 ( Is calling in this spot the right play? he could be double barreling with equity to see another heart if he has a Kx type of hand)

T $149

V bets $80
Hero? (Is this a call as played? KJ gets there with K Kinda hard to see him limp calling KJ pre though I would expect a raise preflop so more likely it would be a JTs-J8s, K9s-K5s, QTs, 78s, maybe a weirdly played set)

Thanks for any help

Last edited by Purple Leaf; 06-21-2018 at 10:43 PM.
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06-22-2018 , 04:52 AM
Raise the flop. You wouldn't check if checked to, a 1/8th pot bet should be treated like a check.

As played, OTT, it's close between raising and flatting. River you have to call since you're so underrepped, can't say I'm that thrilled about the spot.
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06-22-2018 , 10:35 AM
Looks like he left ~$20 of his stack back. Unsure what to make of that, weak or strong? I'm probably folding, given the way (passively) hand played out.

Flop - raise to $50. If called and turn is checked, likely putting him AI with 66bbs eff to start.
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06-22-2018 , 10:48 AM
What a weird spot.

I honestly don't know what takes this line, but this board is pretty favorable as far as flush boards go. People love to limp suited aces and the Ah takes out that possibility. He could have a weak ace and just be confused? Some chance he has AT and got lucky on the river. AP on the river I think you have to call without more info. You're way underrepped and you only need to be right about a quarter of the time. This line just smells like someone who doesn't understand what he's doing. It's terrible on its face and there's no attempt to start shoveling in money in earnest with a monster hand. Given SPR, a nutted range would have no problem getting it in easily over 3 streets.

Also +1 to the idea that you should be raising flop and treating the $10 donk as a check. If he ships it over your raise, then it's decision time - whether he's doing that with a draw / combo draw or only hands that have us crushed (sets and top 2)
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06-22-2018 , 11:03 AM
Pre is close, I fold or limp here most of the time but an occasional raise is ok. I'd go a bit bigger to 7bbs. A5s isn't really a hand you want if people start calling behind in position.

Definitely raise flop, probably stacking off.
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06-22-2018 , 11:57 AM
I don't raise preflop after 2 limpers, especially in MP, as there is just too good a chance we aren't going to narrow the field (my main goal with a raise), plus we'll often end up OOP (sometimes to multiple players, all of which happened here). If table is playing a little passive / payoffy, I would mostly overlimp; otherwise, I might fold (depending on how EP in MP we are).

Thanks to preflop, our SPR against V2 is a very small 2ish. Are we feeling committed? But we also have others yet to act behind us (which I'm assuming have perhaps bigger stacks where we're not as committed). I think I'm ok with just flatting to evaluate what happens, but there might be an argument for raising to commit against V2.

Same sorta deal for turn and somewhat river (although by river we're simply deciding whether to call, not sure raising for the rest of stacks should ever be considered with all the better hands that have no gotten there). Difficult spot, imo.

I think the thing I like least about the hand is that for the most part A5dd is going to remain a small hand postflop (only rarely making a very big hand), and yet our preflop raise made us play a very big pot with a pretty mediocre hand (mostly due to all the preflop callers, which is perfectly standard at most every 1/3 NL table I've ever played at).

GcluelessNLnoobG
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06-23-2018 , 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
I don't raise preflop after 2 limpers, especially in MP, as there is just too good a chance we aren't going to narrow the field (my main goal with a raise), plus we'll often end up OOP (sometimes to multiple players, all of which happened here). If table is playing a little passive / payoffy, I would mostly overlimp; otherwise, I might fold (depending on how EP in MP we are).

Thanks to preflop, our SPR against V2 is a very small 2ish. Are we feeling committed? But we also have others yet to act behind us (which I'm assuming have perhaps bigger stacks where we're not as committed). I think I'm ok with just flatting to evaluate what happens, but there might be an argument for raising to commit against V2.

Same sorta deal for turn and somewhat river (although by river we're simply deciding whether to call, not sure raising for the rest of stacks should ever be considered with all the better hands that have no gotten there). Difficult spot, imo.

I think the thing I like least about the hand is that for the most part A5dd is going to remain a small hand postflop (only rarely making a very big hand), and yet our preflop raise made us play a very big pot with a pretty mediocre hand (mostly due to all the preflop callers, which is perfectly standard at most every 1/3 NL table I've ever played at).

GcluelessNLnoobG
Where would you be looking to raise preflop with A5s for example? in $1/$3 games as a lot of players tend to limp-call because they like to see flops.
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06-25-2018 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Leaf
Where would you be looking to raise preflop with A5s for example? in $1/$3 games as a lot of players tend to limp-call because they like to see flops.
You'll get lots of different opinions on this, but if most of the table is not playing very deep (i.e. almost everyone is 100bbs or less), then you could do perfectly fine never raising it (and, yes, even open limping the Button). Me, I'd probably lean to a raise after 0/1 limpers in LP (Button, probably CO) if limper/blinds weren't very loose / shortstacked.

You're right, a lot of players are very loose and like to see flops. Well, if you raise and see a flop 5ways (standard, amirite?) then where does that get you? A5s doesn't exactly have a monster equity advantage over the range of hands that are limp/calling (and that's if you're fortunate enough not to get limp/raised). And on top of that you'll have little FE in 5way pots (so your initiative gains you very little if not nothing). And on top of that you'll often end up against dominating hands (lots of players weakly limp/call hands as strong as AK), so that's not going to work out great either, especially in low SPR pots where commitment issues will arrive almost immediately. If you're a crushing player who has a massive advantage postflop against your opponents, then you can probably do whatever you want (hence why you'll get different viewpoints on this); but otherwise, it's kinda meh, imo.

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