6-handed game late in the evening. Effective stacks ~$450 (Hero covers).

Hero: early 30's WG reg. Image is solid, winning, aggressive, probably closer to LAG than TAG. On Hero's first hand at the table, they saw him open in LP and double barrel with air, then give up on the river but won showdown with A6s.

V: probably 30s BG. He was the one who lost to Hero on Hero's first hand, and has now seat changed two to my right. Probably your typical rec-fish. A little too passive sometimes particularly when OOP; but can make some weird over-aggressive plays as well. I can't label him particularly aggro or passive. Probably on the looser end in regards to PF holdings, though.

Mississippi straddle is on, BTN (ABC MAWG) straddles to 7.

SB folds, V in BB calls. Hero UTG raises to $25 with K Q. Weak passive player in LP calls. BTN calls. V calls. 4 way to the flop.

Flop ($100) Q 9 4

V donks $45. I've seen him donk multiway once or twice before in this 2-hour session, but never saw his holdings. Hero elects to call and evaluate action behind him. LP folds, BTN folds.

Turn ($190) J

V bets $40, with a stack of approximately 340 behind him.

I really don't know what to make of this very small bet. Is he trying to set a price to draw? I don't know if he would b/3b a draw if I raise here. I don't necessarily think he's advanced enough to try to induce, but he could be. We also picked up some equity on the turn, and at least some combos of drawing hands he could donk flop with now have a pair + draw and could call a raise (like JT).

A lot of options seem to be available here. Which is best? Call/eval river? Raise/fold? Raise/GII?

I know we're only 6 handed, but I still think we can get into a bunch of trouble with this UTG, especially if the pot gets bloated at a loose table (which this one looks to be). I'd just muck preflop, but I'm nitty like that. The result sucks, imo.

4ways in SPR ~4 pot on drawy board with TP2K OOP with everyone having only put in 5% of their stack preflop, I can't stand these spots, which is why I try not to get into them preflop.

After multiple attempts at writing up different lines, I think every single postflop option sucks balls. Shove flop. Fold flop. Call and shove turn. Call and fold turn. Call and call and either call again or fold. Everything we do sucks.

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First instinct is to say it's a feeler, a bet/fold. But muddies the waters.

Pre - limping seems too weak, can't fold - so don't mind raise. Seems like large sizing - surprised that you got 3 callers (must be that LAG image).

OTF - decent flop. This definitely hits a lot of opponents range. I generally put weak donk leads on marginal hands... I prefer to call them with strength and see if they follow up the donk with a stronger turn bet - or another weak bet. However, in this case - with such a wet board and two more to act after us - I'm more inclined to raise.

OTR - You didn't raise - but luckily got the other opps out. Good. The turn card definitely improves most hands that led the flop - so we need to tread carefully. However, the very weak bet makes me think that V is not really liking his hand. I thnk the lead weighs him more towards a FD. Or a Q worried about the turn card. All in all I think I'd like to raise him here.... rather than allowing him a cheap card. So raise to 200. Check back unimproved river.

You arent really deep, the straddle makes this more of a shallow situation. This bet is almost never a strong hand. If I had air I might consider bluff raising. In these spots I find myself just calling and evaluating the river, but I think there is a good case to be made for raising for value. You could make it 175.

Dang GG I knew you were a nit but folding KQ UTG 6-handed? Nah, raising is fine here. This spot would still suck balls if we had AQ instead of KQ. We're still in a spot where he's forcing us to choose between letting him possibly draw for a good price, or value towning ourselves. Given that the straddle has us playing with 65bb stacks I'm fine stacking off with TPGK. I still think calling down or raising are viable options. I haven't run the math to see if raise/fold is a viable option. I find myself calling down in these spots in real time because that's my default WTF line, but it almost always ends up being some weak 1-pair hand that I had beat the whole way.

The turn bet screams weakness. A set, straight, or two pair almost never bet so small on a draw heavy board. I think you have to raise the get value from draws and deny odds to hit the river. A shove isn't unreasonable with $340 left because a pot-sized raise is $310. I don't think you can raise-fold because the odds will be far too great to call if villain reraise shoves.

I think I shove here targeting draws. I want to get max value from them now because they won't payoff if the river blanks. It's fine if he dumps his equity. You still have tens and possibly kings to bail you out if villain somehow has better than TPGK.

Damn. That is nitty!

It's still $450 stacking off with TP2K folks. We look at as 65 BB because of the straddle but NO REC PLAYER thinks like that.

I am fine with keeping this pot small by just calling him down.

Our decision is on the flop. We should already have a plan against each V. With an ~SPR of 4, we are either planning on getting it in or we should be folding the flop. B/F is bad, due to SPR. It is possible due to extremely bad board runout. I plan on getting it in, now the way we do it, is up to you.

If we plan on folding, we made a mistake, and that mistake happened pre. 1) We are opening too wide and we are behind V's range (possible but unlikely); 2) We made a bet-sizing error; 3) We typecast the villain incorrectly.

Easy call for the price and that we have position.

Most likely, V has no idea where he's at in the hand. But also likely that he still has lots of equity that we'd like to dodge.

I call and fold to most bets otr, unless they are small.

I was going to raise to $250 and call it off, but then I ran some numbers and we really aren't as far ahead as I thought.
Most of his range here is XXcc I think on the flop and on the turn.
But I think a lot of it has the Jc in it also. And when he has JTcc or QJcc we really hate life.
And almost never get it in with more than 70% equity and sometimes 50% or worse.
I'm flatting here and calling most river bets on all non clubs that are 7 or lower.
Might call higher non club river depending on sizing.
Mostly folding on club rivers except to lol small bet sizings.