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Old 10-08-2017, 07:59 AM   #1
Solomon_Peabody
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1/3, interesting spot

1/3, Sunday evening, fairly tight table for these stakes.

Four limpers, up to and including the small blind.
Hero ($520) checks in the big blind with Ks 10s.

Flop ($15): 10c 9d 3d

SB (25yo Hispanic male, 30/10, $250) - bets $10
Hero raises to $30
Two early position limpers fold
MP (30yo white male, 15/12, aggressive postflop, no previous history, $800) calls
SB calls

Turn ($105) - Kc

SB checks
Hero bets $75
MP goes all in and has Hero covered, and it's $412 to call

What do you do?
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Old 10-08-2017, 08:19 AM   #2
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Re: 1/3, interesting spot

Flop I prob just call there some of the times.

Gross spot though. Losing to 16 combos of QJ which he could have and I definitely see this get limped a lot in MP at these stakes. He has 6 combos of sets (33 and 99). Don’t ever think he does this with two pair or draws honestly.

Did you have a plan when you bet turn? This is why it sucks playing out of position. You could honestly check the turn some of the time against an aggressive player like this though.

I think honestly it’s a fold but I really hate it.
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Old 10-08-2017, 08:23 AM   #3
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Re: 1/3, interesting spot

We need about 40 percent equity to call. There are 16 combos of QJ. I think sets and two pair are less likely. Im thinking of combos of sets, FD's, and 87s and i just dont think theres enough of them. Fold. Fwiw i would probably make a bad call here

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Old 10-08-2017, 11:31 AM   #4
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Re: 1/3, interesting spot

With no read on villain I can find a fold here. You have played the hand very strongly and two pair should be the bottom of your non-bluff range. Villain still over shoved. He could be getting too aggressive with a combo draw on the turn or possibly KT/K9/T9 but unless he is terrible most of his hands are beating you.
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Old 10-08-2017, 11:35 AM   #5
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Re: 1/3, interesting spot

I think you need to fold. There are a lot of straights and sets that have you crushed there. Next time, I'd just flat the flop.
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Old 10-08-2017, 11:36 AM   #6
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Re: 1/3, interesting spot

He obv has QJ or middle/bottom set here, no second thoughts.
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Old 10-09-2017, 02:45 PM   #7
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Re: 1/3, interesting spot

A guy playing 15/12 is not limping MP.

Soul read for QJ and muck it.
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Old 10-10-2017, 03:24 PM   #8
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Re: 1/3, interesting spot

I'd also just see a flop preflop.

I'd probably nit fold the flop. We have someone donking into the world at a tight table. A turn K might be a terrible card as it completes the obvious OESD. We still have people to react behind us. This isn't what I was hoping to hit or have happen in this spot. We make a mistake some of the time by folding here, but the times we do it's an extremely minor one. If we're going to do anything otherwise, I think calling is better; we're building way too big a pot with way too small a hand.

As played, the obvious OESD got there. I probably check/evaluate. Gives me a chance to underrep my hand, possibly face a cheaper bet where I might have better odds to chase the fullhouse draw, etc.

As played, trivial fold for me at a tight table. People at tight tables don't stack off with a worse two pair on this board and it's unlikely they are getting out-of-line against multiple opponents (including one who really seems to like their hand).

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Old 10-10-2017, 04:10 PM   #9
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Re: 1/3, interesting spot

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I'd also just see a flop preflop.

I'd probably nit fold the flop. We have someone donking into the world at a tight table. A turn K might be a terrible card as it completes the obvious OESD. We still have people to react behind us. This isn't what I was hoping to hit or have happen in this spot. We make a mistake some of the time by folding here, but the times we do it's an extremely minor one. If we're going to do anything otherwise, I think calling is better; we're building way too big a pot with way too small a hand.

As played, the obvious OESD got there. I probably check/evaluate. Gives me a chance to underrep my hand, possibly face a cheaper bet where I might have better odds to chase the fullhouse draw, etc.

As played, trivial fold for me at a tight table. People at tight tables don't stack off with a worse two pair on this board and it's unlikely they are getting out-of-line against multiple opponents (including one who really seems to like their hand).

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You're folding the flop with TP2K for a bet of $10?
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Old 10-10-2017, 04:14 PM   #10
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You're folding the flop with TP2K for a bet of $10?
It's definitely on the nitty side, but I think overall it's likely the best move in this spot (for reasons I gave above).

I'm not going to hate too much on those who call, but I'm not convinced it's a money maker (the only thing that matters).

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