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10-09-2018 , 08:10 AM
Effective Stacks ~$420 1-2NL rivers casino NY ~12:30am-1am ish Monday night in October

Villian (30something white guy) showed up with his bro to play $1-2 nl and drink beers and (get out of line?)
He bought for like 2, or maybe even 300 (maxbuyin at this game) and managed to run it up to ~400ish over past hour (made a weird A high calldown in EP vs a better hand and spike ace river in ~$120 pot?) but otherwise seems to play kinda solid. Drinking beers at a fast rate with his friend (sitting next to him, playing in the game). Both are like 4~ beers deep at this point. His buddy busted out from playing every hand.

Villain was berating fish loudly using foul language (was told from floorman to "watch his mouth"). Went on a rant to rando seat 5 player about how he was upset when the seat 5 guy didn't chop with him when seat 5 had 33. They checked flop (Q hi), I think a bet went in on turn where I think villain bet and seat 5 rando called, and river came 3 and villain bet like 8, seat 5 rando raise to $20 and wins with 3s full.

So this hand I'm in SB with a hand I usually play very carefully because it's not pocket aces....(KK)

It's like 6 handed at this point. Villain pops it to $11 UTG. Someone else calls on Button. I made it $58. Villain calls (quick) and button folds.

Flop

7 6 4

I bet $89

Villain tanks ~20 sec.
Villain raises to $191 all day.

I taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaank.
Staredown.
"Will you show if I fold?"

He says, "If you show, I will show."

I don't trust this guy. I heard him agree to check it down with seat 2 earlier, then dealer popped in & said "you can't make those type of agreements here." Flop 9TJ. Check-check (weird) Villain announced "I flopped the nuts". Turn blank. Check-"Now I have to bet it" - he bets 15. Seat 2 calls. River blank. Check check???? Laugh, show villain has KQ vs. seat 2's JT??? Maybe I got action wrong but basically he seems shady as hell when he agreed to check it down then didn't check it down so I don't trust he will show me if I fold.

Make him show when we call instead?

We have epic staredown for ~2 minutes. Table starts to get pissed. Villain calls "clock."

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....seems shady AF. Floorman pops up and counts down to 60 seconds.

I'm in the taaaaaaaaaaaaaank. Does he have a set? 2pair? Straight?

Or am I ahead? I have K so he can't be making this play with AK

Maybe he has A6? Or any 6x?

How loose is he pre? He seems kinda solid pre and loved berating people about their play which makes me think he is tighter pre than the average?? Then again he is kinda drunk. Not like slurring his words but more possibly like beer shoulders drunk. So now should we expect him to take a stand with any overpair here (after all it is just 7 high).

I've been nitty all session and I think he might have even said something about how I've been tight (possibly even during the beginning of this hand as he called my 3b). Would that increase or decrease the likelihood of him making a play on this board with <1 pair hands in a 3b pot vs. what is presumably AA/KK from me.

Floorman counts down.
"Is the aggressor allowed to call the clock at this casino?"
"Yes"
"45 seconds"
Villain says "I'm going with it this hand. No matter what, it's going in. If you wanna push all in, mine (chips) is going in."
"30 seconds

"10 seconds"
"9"
"8"
"7"
"6"
"5"
"4"
"3"

I put the $102 in.

Turn A

I check. He followed through with his word on this one.

Villain is all in for $175 more.

Taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaank.

Getting decent odds here with NFD. But not exactly pure odds to draw if I'm behind (espec. if he already made a flush).

Good turn card or bad turn card? I mean at least now I know he didn't have A6 specifically or any NFD for that matter.

Gross spot? EZ fold? EZ call?

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10-09-2018 , 08:23 AM
all the chips were going in when you guys started the staredown.
this is late night macho bully BS.
beers flowing friend watching if he cracks you he gets to brag how he beat you with rags and you waited all night for the kings.
if you fold he shows the bluff and mocks you.
I smoke shove
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10-09-2018 , 08:40 AM
If you're going to continue on the flop, and I would, then you should be shoving. To do anything else is just bad. Leaving $180 behind with a pot of $500ish just makes no sense at all.

If he called my very large 5.5x 3b pre with 76s, I still have outs. If he has 44/66/77, good for him. My money is going in.
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10-09-2018 , 08:51 AM
Reraise all in on flop. As played crying call. If he got lucky so be it you have outs

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10-09-2018 , 09:02 AM
All in on flop
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10-09-2018 , 09:06 AM
Epic story bro.
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10-09-2018 , 09:54 AM
If you can’t b3b all in this board comfortably just check call. Most villain can’t barrel 3 with worse. Can easily value cut themselves or bluff a street or 2. Any ****** can reraise 67 or set and monster draw. You don’t have sets or 2p in your range so just check call and test villain.

If villain has whaleish tendencies to call too wide and stock flop too wide and with lots of punts and merged stuff then by all means b3b rip or check rip with your entire range that continues if this induces some spazzes
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10-09-2018 , 11:30 AM
I agree with rest that say you should be 3bet jamming here. This guy's a whale who could easily be overplaying pair plus straight draw on a board you don't often hit.

One thing I have a question is about your cbet sizing. Isn't this a bit big and makes your cbets with A high much dicier? I feel like you should be betting smaller as this board doesn't connect with you very often.
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10-09-2018 , 12:14 PM
Go all in on the flop and get ready to rebuy if you are beat.
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10-09-2018 , 12:31 PM
All-in on flop.

As played, call turn. Somewhere between EZ call and gross spot. At worst, you are drawing to 9 outs and just doing insta in head math you are nearly good enough to call just on that alone plus any of the times he is spazzing QdQ/JdJ
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10-09-2018 , 05:44 PM
more discussion or ships the results?
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10-09-2018 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by nypoker1234
more discussion or ships the results?
Seems like most agree all in on flop. Let's hear those results.

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10-10-2018 , 02:43 AM
Spoiler:
I tank call. He seems kinda upset which is good feeling for me. River is like a 5 or 8 or something weird and kinda low/medium (non and I think it made a 4 card straight available). He says "queens" and tables QxQ and I snap table my KK. Boy did he berate me for not shoving all in on the flop and tanking, but what can I say nits gonna nit.

So I get shipped a ~$800 pot and I toss the lovely dealer a white $1 chip and now Freddie the drunk starts going off on how I'm a cheapskate and won an 800 pot and only tipped a dollar. I say "I learned that you are supposed to tip when you can afford." Freddie continues going off about how I'm a cheapskate. I toss the lovely dealer another $1 chip while stacking the pot and say "that's for me wasting so much time tanking" hopefully that shut Freddie up but he's still going off. So anyone's opinion on tipping in this type of a scenario too btw? lol
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10-10-2018 , 03:06 AM
Yikes at least tip the dealer 5 bucks if not 10. You can afford at minimum a 1% tip lol.
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10-10-2018 , 06:48 AM
$1 in a normal pot, $2 in a bigger pot is fine. I might go $3 if I’m on a heater or a few biggger pots.
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10-10-2018 , 07:06 AM
one guy says 5-10....next guy says 2 is fine....results may vary
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10-10-2018 , 08:18 AM
$5 is ridiculous and would never be tipped by a winning player unless they’re just giving their money away as charity. Even if a dealer only managed 18 hands per hour, that’s $90 in tips.

I can assure you that the overwhelming majority of players on this forum, and even those who aren’t on this forum but are profitable, are usually tipping $1, with the rare instance of doing $2+.
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10-10-2018 , 08:36 AM
This live story has it all: minraise on the flop, shoving turn in way ahead way behind spot, the nit roll on two streets, and the loser berating the winner.

I used to tip $5 on very big pots a lot when I played live and still managed to win some good money. Used to drink a lot of overpriced beer too and tip the waitress. But I also say let people choose how much they want to tip.
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10-10-2018 , 08:47 AM
I think even GG would tell you to snap shove here. Even against an unknown I'm shoving and expecting a call from 88+ and AXdd. Against a guy 4 beers deep? Just get the monies in the middle.
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10-10-2018 , 10:30 AM
Well I think that's the last time I will ever tip any $1 chips at this casino because I'm banned for life, rofl
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10-10-2018 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by nypoker1234
Well I think that's the last time I will ever tip any $1 chips at this casino because I'm banned for life, rofl
Why?
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10-10-2018 , 02:10 PM
Being weird.
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10-10-2018 , 02:38 PM
grip and rip it in on the flop

tanking and staredowns at $1/2 are about the lamest things you can possibly do

i tip at least a nickel on pots where i double up (but im not a pro concerned about win rate etc.)
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10-10-2018 , 03:38 PM
why even have an internal debate about tipping? - tip like US $nothing
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10-11-2018 , 01:57 AM
You played very well preflop and with the flop Cbet.

Not gonna lie, I'd be tanking on the flop too. The small sizing looks so strong and we block a bunch of FDs with the Kd in our hand. Also, his snap call preflop looks like he's more likely to have a middling hand like 77 or T9s as opposed to a premium like {QQ+, AK} which should at least think for a second and consider 4betting, and a lot of those middling hands flopped sets or 2pr.

Having said that, the conversation you just had with him makes him appear weak imo. Firstly, he says he'll show his hand if you show. He's trying to give you reasons to fold. Secondly, he's trying to display strength when he brags about how all the money is going to go in and he's acting all confident. Acting strong usually means a weak hand. So after this conversation, I'm going to jam it in here. I don't expect to see an airball here, but I expect to see a lot of top pair, weak overpairs, and draws.

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Originally Posted by nypoker1234
Well I think that's the last time I will ever tip any $1 chips at this casino because I'm banned for life, rofl
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Why?
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Originally Posted by nypoker1234
Being weird.
Wtf?! Please elaborate on how you got banned for life from a casino.
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