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03-29-2016 , 10:14 AM

#101

erpdlof

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there are ways to adjust to him other than by 4 bet bluffing

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03-29-2016 , 10:47 AM

#102

Playbig2000

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Originally Posted by erpdlof

there are ways to adjust to him other than by 4 bet bluffing

sure, we can fold to the 3bet. I'm not about to start limping everything or playing like a tight nit because of him if that's what you're suggesting,

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03-29-2016 , 10:55 AM

#103

erpdlof

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you won't make it in poker if you're not ok with being a nit sometimes

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03-29-2016 , 10:58 AM

#104

erpdlof

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in this hand, i would prefer calling and leading some flops as opposed to 4betting.

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03-29-2016 , 11:07 AM

#105

Playbig2000

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Originally Posted by erpdlof

you won't make it in poker if you're not ok with being a nit sometimes

lol I've already "made it" in poker but thanks for the advice

he's not a maniac he's just a tag reg. why should I have to tighten up to a regular rec/reg?

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Originally Posted by erpdlof

in this hand, i would prefer calling and leading some flops as opposed to 4betting.

If you decide to play creative the donk often looks weak on certain flops. I would rather try to take it now before he commits more money in the pot. I would save the creative play for when he is the type of guy to 5bet us thinking we're FOS.

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03-29-2016 , 11:24 AM

#106

erpdlof

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generic you.
i'm not a fan of making this raise as a default, much less when there is someone that has a propensity to 3 bet on the button. it doesn't really matter that he sucks and we're awesome.

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03-29-2016 , 11:29 AM

#107

Playbig2000

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it's far from my default play. He showed us he can 3bet wide already and now he's 3betting his button, so I would bet he's wide and 4b/f.

fwiw it has nothing to do with him being a bad player or a rec, it has everything to do with him knowing how to 3bet light.

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03-29-2016 , 11:37 AM

#108

erpdlof

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it certainly seems like you are saying that you would open the a4s here.
and i don't expect people in live poker to put it 35 dollars and then fold for 60 more before seeing a flop, and having a4s oop in a 4 bet pot is pretty unappealling.

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03-29-2016 , 11:47 AM

#109

Playbig2000

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a4s is a good hand to raise pre from the HJ after 2 limpers. But after the button 3bets, you are saying you would flat? That would be terrible. The hand is dog crap unless there were like 7 other callers before you. I'm mostly folding, and occasionally 4b/folding to players like the button who showed he can 3bet light.

with regards to him not wanting to fold for 60 more before seeing a flop, I actually make more money that way when they call and fish for cards since they miss 66% of the time on average.

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03-29-2016 , 11:55 AM

#110

erpdlof

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it's really not. the hand is dog crap like you said.
first time around: overlimp>fold>>>raise
second time around: fold>call>>>>>>4bet

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03-29-2016 , 12:02 PM

#111

ibelieveyouoweme$80k

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Originally Posted by erpdlof

there are ways to adjust to him other than by 4 bet bluffing

Seat change is still no. 1 on that list.

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03-29-2016 , 12:03 PM

#112

samdabam

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Not a good V to 4 bet based on history you gave us.

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03-29-2016 , 12:37 PM

#113

JMurder3

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Why are you guys so afraid of a guy who made 1 light 3-bet 2 hours ago & got crushed trying it?

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03-29-2016 , 01:49 PM

#114

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Originally Posted by JMurder3

Why are you guys so afraid of a guy who made 1 light 3-bet 2 hours ago & got crushed trying it?

he didnt get crushed, he won da pot

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03-29-2016 , 01:50 PM

#115

de4df1sh

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so I 4b

and he turbo mucked so he does indeed have some 3b/f range

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03-29-2016 , 02:03 PM

#116

cAmmAndo

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03-29-2016 , 02:03 PM

#117

Playbig2000

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Originally Posted by de4df1sh

so I 4b

and he turbo mucked so he does indeed have some 3b/f range

he turbo mucked bc he was so wide, just like we thought.

nh

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03-29-2016 , 03:11 PM

#118

JMurder3

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Originally Posted by de4df1sh

he didnt get crushed, he won da pot

Oh. So he showed the bluff? Or 1 pair good? That would change my opinion. I was under the impression he was called & was no good, which would lower his likelihood of trying the same maneuver again.

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so I 4b

and he turbo mucked so he does indeed have some 3b/f range

I didn't doubt there was a 3b/f range, just what frequency he was doing it as a bluff based on the very limited read provided.

This is why I'm retiring from strat posting again. Impossible to get a proper feel of actual table dynamics to see if a play is +ev or not.

Anyway, glad it worked for you. As I said in my 1st post, there's definitely spots where it's a good play. Still no idea if this was one of them without being there.

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03-29-2016 , 03:13 PM

#119

de4df1sh

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Originally Posted by JMurder3

Oh. So he showed the bluff? Or 1 pair good? That would change my opinion. I was under the impression he was called & was no good, which would lower his likelihood of trying the same maneuver again.

I didn't doubt there was a 3b/f range, just what frequency he was doing it as a bluff based on the very limited read provided.

This is why I'm retiring from strat posting again. Impossible to get a proper feel of actual table dynamics to see if a play is +ev or not.

Anyway, glad it worked for you. As I said in my 1st post, there's definitely spots where it's a good play. Still no idea if this was one of them without being there.

I agree 1000% with all of the above

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03-29-2016 , 04:16 PM

#120

suited fours

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Originally Posted by JMurder3

Still no idea if this was one of them without being there.

Sometimes I feel this way about every single strat thread. I think I'm average at best on picking up reads and tells, but sometimes it's nearly everything.

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03-29-2016 , 05:08 PM

#121

whorasaurus

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Originally Posted by de4df1sh

so I 4b

and he turbo mucked so he does indeed have some 3b/f range

A+, would 4b again. what amount did you go with

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03-29-2016 , 05:28 PM

#122

JMurder3

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Originally Posted by suited fours

Sometimes I feel this way about every single strat thread. I think I'm average at best on picking up reads and tells, but sometimes it's nearly everything.

Yeah, the main thing is thoroughness of reads. There's a whole lot that one knows about someone after playing with them for a couple hours if they are paying attention that aren't necessarily easy to put into words that determine what the optimal way is to play against that particular person.

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