HERO/HJ(400) young white guy, have not gotten involved in anything significant but have taken a few pots down without showdown on flop/turn

V/BTN(400) Indian maybe guy, 2 hours ago saw him 3b an UTG opener from the button with 7c6c suited for a relatively small sizing like 2.25x , bet flop, checked turn and bombed riv on AJ6ss 4o 8s

2 tight passive guys limp

HERO 15 w Ac4c

CO is super tight short stacker(50bbs)

CO folds
BTN 35
folds to hero
HERO 95

thoughts on 4b?

My thoughts are that i block alot of his value 3b range. AA/AK maybe AQ and do not block any of suited connector hands. He has shown a slight proclivity to 3b super wide from btn for a small sizing.

I think the sizing is too big actually and would prefer 85.

does anyone flat here? my problem with flatting is that it is going to be really difficult to station down oop.

What is your hand? What's your position? HJ?

whatcha got?

so far I like the 4b/f. I'm never flatting there. (Obviously I'm not 4b/f 'ing AA or KK)

sorry, bit early for me. hand is included in OP

correct

4b/fold seems fine given reads.

85 would have been fine. But keep in mind he's probably calling with most of his range so we will have to continue otf or risk him bombing the flop/turn if we check. Indians are usually aggressive like that so as long as you are comfortable playing a pot OOP with air/low equity I love the 4b/f.

If he 3b 67s otb in the past, his range is very wide here.

I don't like our seat as it looks like a deep loose tricky guy is pretty close to our immediate left.

Going back to the chat thread, my suggestion is to setup easier to play postflop spots by making the appropriate move preflop. This is an easy overlimp for me here and I would practically *never* raise here. We're totally cool encouraging an eleventeen way limped pot here with this hand and playing ABC nutminish postflop. We don't want to be 3bet by the aggro Button. We don't want to be flatted by the aggro Button and end up HU OOP with this hand. We don't want shortstacked CO to wake up with a hand and blow us out of the pot. We don't want to be reraised by one of the EP limpers who could easily be sandbagging a big hand with this joker on the Button.

As played, I just fold now.

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I like the idea of the raise pre vs two TAPs, but I agree that it's not the ideal situation for our position. We risk getting shoved on by CO shortie and we have an agro BN. I would like our raise more had we been OTB or even CO.

As played, the default answer is always to 4bet or fold oop (unless we have a PP in which case we're getting the right price - 3:1 - to flat and setmine with deep stacks). Calling is the worst option because playing oop to a reraise sucks and we're going to c/f most flops. Your sizing was good but I would probably make it $100. I do not recommend the $85. You're looking for a fold but $85 could encourage him to call with position, and then what's our plan OTF?

Fwiw, I'd fold. I don't like playing reraised pots oop with marginal hands. We might have the best hand, but it's so hard to play post flop. Even if an Ace comes, are we going to just call down multiple barrels? You're only in for $15. Don't expose the rest of your stack to him in a guessing game.

Seems fine.

So a question: 2 hrs ago we saw v 3! Lite. He's obv capable. Has he 3! Without showdown at all since?

I'd raise this otb and in the c/o with a tight btn. I use this hand as a raise / 3! out of the blind some but in the HJ I'd probably just overlimp it GG style from the Here with the exception being to ISO a specific player. So I guess we are isoing the TPs hoping to take the pot postflop when they fold on unfitting flops.

From a game flow perspective I usually like to develop a winning image before pulling any shenanigans so I'm not going out of my way to get in 3! /4! Pots with Arag yet. Nonetheless here we are.

I don't like a flat. We've seen him 3! Lite. We have a blocker and we are suited. I'm cool with 4! Here but personally prefer the larger sizing when holding the Ablocker with wheel kicker as opposed to the K blocker where our high card is less likely to be dominated since continuing ranges will include more Ax combos. So I really like to fold those middling Ax hands and an extra couple chips helps. I'd rather not just click+ it back so I'm fine with sizing.

Obv folding to a 5!.

Yesterday complaining about being on a 1100BB downswing. Today, deciding to 4bet bluff with A4s.

Coincidence?

Pretty sure these are hands from the swong sesh's (TM)

But "coincidence" still apropos.

1. i think raising pre is the worst of the three options
2. i think 4 betting is the worst of the three options

it's ok to be a nit

Venice just curious, when you 4! Bluff on a downswing what hand do you prefer?

How are we supposed to defend against an aggro btn 3b?

Limp-call more and don't give him a chance to 3bet light with position. Mix in some overlimp-reraise hands when doing that.

If I were going to 4bet bluff here, I would make it an amount that makes it look like we are committed to getting stacks in, whether calling a preflop shove or shoving the flop. That doesn't mean we actually are committed, but we want villain to think we are.

don't raise bad hands oop

IP against TAP limpers A4s is hardly "bad"

except you don't have position. and even if you did it's likely at least slightly bad to raise "tight" limpers

if i raised pre I'm just flatting the min 3bet; villain doesn't sound like the type you have fold equity with and your hand blows in inflated pots oop

Are they limp-calling you with a range that includes AK-AT?

This is a fine play, depending on your evaluation of the limper's ranges.

it's the epitome of bad. and we're oop to the aggro player on the button.

how many dollars do you expect to make in the hand once you raise? i think it's at least -$10 and wouldn't be surprised if it was -$20-

4b seems fine against an aggro 3-bettor, though you probably want to tighten up your opening range in hands where this guy has position on you.