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Old 02-08-2018, 06:14 AM   #1
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1/3 - How to play 65s multiway

$1/$3, 8-handed, $230 effective.

Hero opens $15 MP with 65ss
CO calls, SB calls, BB calls
(All players at this table are loose-passive)

Flop (4ways, $52) is Kc 8s 5c

2 checks
Hero Cbets $40
CO folds
SB calls $40
BB folds

Explanation for Cbetting flop:
We decided to Cbet the flop because of our enormous backdoor equity. Our plan was to barrel the turn on any spade and any card between 4 and 9, except 8. I'm not sure whether I should be betting or checking in this spot as a general rule. What are your thoughts on this?

Turn ($124, HU) is 6d

SB checks
Hero ??? (we have $175 behind)

How much do we bet here?
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Old 02-08-2018, 06:31 AM   #2
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I bet 90. If it's loose passive 100 may look "huge" compared to the pot
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Old 02-08-2018, 06:36 AM   #3
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Re: 1/3 - How to play 65s multiway

Shove turn b range. 15 just so big pre esp 230eff.
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Old 02-08-2018, 07:19 AM   #4
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Old 02-08-2018, 09:57 AM   #5
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Re: 1/3 - How to play 65s multiway

Pre is probably too loose from the lj+

X flop to try to realise your equity, cbetting is torching.
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Old 02-08-2018, 10:14 AM   #6
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Preflop is fine. Your Cbet is too big though. With that flop and against 2 villains, Id rather check the flop than bet that much.
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Old 02-08-2018, 10:18 AM   #7
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Re: 1/3 - How to play 65s multiway

Check back turn.

Pre - if u can't iso, then just fold <80 bbs deep.

Flop - check 4-way and hope to pickup equity cheaply. Vs. 3 LP players u have little FE, besides bottom pair/no kicker. Also, more betting puts u on the road to committing, given effective stack.
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Old 02-08-2018, 10:20 AM   #8
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Check back turn.

Pre - if u can't iso, then just fold <80 bbs deep.

Flop - check 4-way and hope to pickup equity cheaply. Vs. 3 LP players u have little FE, besides bottom pair/no kicker. Also, more betting puts u on the road to committing, given effective stack.
WTF?
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Old 02-08-2018, 10:26 AM   #9
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WTF?
Awkward stack. Jam is probably better than betting 1/2 PSB. If we check turn and jam river, might have a better chance of getting a call.
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Old 02-08-2018, 10:58 AM   #10
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Awkward stack size doesnt mean we should check the turn though. It just means if we shove it looks suspicious and will get called lighter sometimes like it did here which is what we want.

There's a FD on the flop and on the turn there's 3 middle cards. We have to bet before the board gets ever worse on the river.
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Old 02-08-2018, 11:08 AM   #11
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Re: 1/3 - How to play 65s multiway

I don't like raising suited connectors with loose-passive players behind me. I'd just limp in and maybe call a raise depending on the situation.

After two checks, I'm fine with the c-bet.

I bet $75 on the turn or shove, but I like $75 to keep his Ks and draws in. Jam most rivers.
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Old 02-08-2018, 12:24 PM   #12
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Re: 1/3 - How to play 65s multiway

Preflop raise seems a little ambitious given marginal position and not deep.

I would cbet a little smaller. I don't think "enormous backdoor equity" is a thing, but yeah, you have equity.

I'd probably go $30 / 75 / jam most rivers (but not that one).
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Old 02-08-2018, 12:29 PM   #13
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$65 turn. Jam river.
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Old 02-08-2018, 12:55 PM   #14
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I'd check the flop myself though I see why you bet it.

Loving the "enormous backdoor equity". Initially I scoffed but then I thought I should check it out properly.

You're 28.7% Vs KQ-K9 K8s-K2s and a bunch of flush draws on the flop. You stay at around 23-33% equity on the turn if you turn a 9, 7, 4 or spade, 45% on a 9, 7, or 4 of spades and you go to 70% + on a 6 or 5 except 6 clubs which puts you on 55%. So that's 22 cards that maintain or increase your equity on the turn.

Not bad to be fair.

I think it's ok to take an unbalanced line and go for $70 on turn and jam river when you make go ahead on the turn while just shoving the turn for max fold equity when you maintain your equity on the turn.
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Old 02-08-2018, 12:56 PM   #15
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Re: 1/3 - How to play 65s multiway

Op, just stop playing suited connectors entirely. Anything below 9Ts, fold.

ANY gapper, fold.

If you are on the btn, and it folds to you, and you have 67s. Fold.

Im quite certain your wr will improve.
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Old 02-08-2018, 12:59 PM   #16
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^ certainly fold them when you face a load of loose passive players behind you. I think you can raise them against weak-tight opponents profitably as long as you barrel well postflop. Just that situation doesn't arise very often...
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Old 02-08-2018, 01:05 PM   #17
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You don't need to stop playing them. I play them often, but in the right situations. Raising 65s with a bunch of loose-passive players behind you is not a good idea -- especially with less than 100bb effective. Yuck.
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Old 02-08-2018, 01:32 PM   #18
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Good point Javanewt - effective stack size is critical. No point opening speculative hands to large sizes with < 100bb. To be honest I'm wanting 200bb+ effective before I open speculative hands. What can get quite annoying is when the deep stacks are all good and the short stacks are all terrible loose passives.
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Old 02-08-2018, 01:37 PM   #19
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I think Hero's image on the table is quit important. Generally, I like the play if H has considered your image. I believe you would love 77's call on the turn, just unlucky on the river.
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Old 02-08-2018, 01:52 PM   #20
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^ yep solid, tight, winning image is preferable for sure.
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Old 02-08-2018, 03:42 PM   #21
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$230 effective snap fold pre. Flop bet is spew.
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Old 02-08-2018, 03:49 PM   #22
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You don't need to stop playing them.
If he wants to stop losing, yes, he does.
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Old 02-08-2018, 06:48 PM   #23
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Check back turn.

Pre - if u can't iso, then just fold <80 bbs deep.

Flop - check 4-way and hope to pickup equity cheaply. Vs. 3 LP players u have little FE, besides bottom pair/no kicker. Also, more betting puts u on the road to committing, given effective stack.
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