Explanation for Cbetting flop: We decided to Cbet the flop because of our enormous backdoor equity. Our plan was to barrel the turn on any spade and any card between 4 and 9, except 8. I'm not sure whether I should be betting or checking in this spot as a general rule. What are your thoughts on this?
Pre - if u can't iso, then just fold <80 bbs deep.
Flop - check 4-way and hope to pickup equity cheaply. Vs. 3 LP players u have little FE, besides bottom pair/no kicker. Also, more betting puts u on the road to committing, given effective stack.
Pre - if u can't iso, then just fold <80 bbs deep.
Flop - check 4-way and hope to pickup equity cheaply. Vs. 3 LP players u have little FE, besides bottom pair/no kicker. Also, more betting puts u on the road to committing, given effective stack.
Awkward stack size doesnt mean we should check the turn though. It just means if we shove it looks suspicious and will get called lighter sometimes like it did here which is what we want.
There's a FD on the flop and on the turn there's 3 middle cards. We have to bet before the board gets ever worse on the river.
I'd check the flop myself though I see why you bet it.
Loving the "enormous backdoor equity". Initially I scoffed but then I thought I should check it out properly.
You're 28.7% Vs KQ-K9 K8s-K2s and a bunch of flush draws on the flop. You stay at around 23-33% equity on the turn if you turn a 9, 7, 4 or spade, 45% on a 9, 7, or 4 of spades and you go to 70% + on a 6 or 5 except 6 clubs which puts you on 55%. So that's 22 cards that maintain or increase your equity on the turn.
Not bad to be fair.
I think it's ok to take an unbalanced line and go for $70 on turn and jam river when you make go ahead on the turn while just shoving the turn for max fold equity when you maintain your equity on the turn.
^ certainly fold them when you face a load of loose passive players behind you. I think you can raise them against weak-tight opponents profitably as long as you barrel well postflop. Just that situation doesn't arise very often...
You don't need to stop playing them. I play them often, but in the right situations. Raising 65s with a bunch of loose-passive players behind you is not a good idea -- especially with less than 100bb effective. Yuck.
Good point Javanewt - effective stack size is critical. No point opening speculative hands to large sizes with < 100bb. To be honest I'm wanting 200bb+ effective before I open speculative hands. What can get quite annoying is when the deep stacks are all good and the short stacks are all terrible loose passives.
I think Hero's image on the table is quit important. Generally, I like the play if H has considered your image. I believe you would love 77's call on the turn, just unlucky on the river.
Pre - if u can't iso, then just fold <80 bbs deep.
Flop - check 4-way and hope to pickup equity cheaply. Vs. 3 LP players u have little FE, besides bottom pair/no kicker. Also, more betting puts u on the road to committing, given effective stack.
