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1/3 How often is trip kings good here? 1/3 How often is trip kings good here?

05-26-2018 , 04:43 PM
1/3 Maryland Live on a Friday night at about 7:30 pm

Hero: Young 20s white guy wearing tee shirt and jeans, playing TAG but potentially seen more as aggro than tight, was hovering around $300 buyin for about an hour before losing $100 on the hand before this one

Table: Super fishy, a few regs that are just as loose-passive as everyone else

V1: Loose/passive fish, has not raised at all preflop or postflop, likes to call but hasn't shown down any big winners, nice guy and we were chatting for a bit before and after this hand, is short-stacked and has maybe $100 in front

V2: Loose/passive fish, might have raised once or twice preflop, has not played any big pots since I sat down, came from work with a friend sitting across the table, has about $350 in front and covers Hero


Folds around to Hero ($200) in CO with KdTc, raises to $10
Button folds, both V1 (SB, $100) and V2 (BB, $350) call

Flop ($30) KcKhQh
V1 and V2 check to Hero, who cbets $15 (think villains can continue here with worse kings, most queens, straight draws, flush draws, and many pocket pairs)
V1 and V2 call

Turn ($75) KcKhQh5s
V1 and V2 check to Hero, who bets $30 (what do you think of sizing here?)
V1 calls
V2 smiles, check/raises to $100

Getting pretty good pot odds on a call, but struggled with putting V2 on a range. Does he do this with all his kings or does this raise indicate he only has hands that beat me (AK, KQ, KJ, QQ, 55)? I don't think this player at this level is check/raising AhJh, AhTh, JhTh, or any other draws.

Hero has $145 remaining, so call means an awkward $75 stack on the river.

What do you think of the line? Should I have checked back turn? What range do you put V2 on? What should Hero's action be?
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05-26-2018 , 05:22 PM
If you are gonna raise KTo preflop and then ask questions after you flop trip Ks, perhaps the mistake was raising KTo in the first place. Hint, all your money is going in the middle. 75 is not that awkward for the river, call, see what V1 does, then call river or lead any river for 75. EZ game.
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05-27-2018 , 03:10 AM
I make it more like 50$ on the turn and 3bet shove AI over the x/r, maybe a call and shove/call a shove on the river if you want to try and keep V1 in. Turn changes nothing unless you called flop with 55 which would be pretty loose passive. V2's range includes some nutted stuff like QQ but also some hands you dominate.
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05-27-2018 , 06:48 AM
Bet 50 ott. Jam turn ainec.
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05-27-2018 , 09:25 AM
Turn sizing should be a bit bigger. So if i read it right it's $70 on you to call, and you have $145 behind? I'm probably just jamming here. Yeah, he has most of the better kings and boats in his range, but a loose/passive fish has lots of worse kings as well. Deeper I think this is a call where you can consider folding some rivers, but at this depth I just rip it in now.
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05-27-2018 , 11:25 AM
OP,

Quote:
Originally Posted by Randy Randleman
What do you think of the line? Should I have checked back turn? What range do you put V2 on? What should Hero's action be?

You should bet larger.
No, of course you should not check back that turn.
V2 has a worse king or a better king or a semi-bluff draw of some sort of weird bluff or a queen or 55.
Call turn, snap call rest on river, push if checked to on any river.
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05-27-2018 , 04:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Koss
Turn sizing should be a bit bigger. So if i read it right it's $70 on you to call, and you have $145 behind? I'm probably just jamming here. Yeah, he has most of the better kings and boats in his range, but a loose/passive fish has lots of worse kings as well. Deeper I think this is a call where you can consider folding some rivers, but at this depth I just rip it in now.
This was my thinking as well. Hero 3bet shoves, V1 tank/folds, V2 snap calls with QQ. No help on the river.
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05-28-2018 , 01:14 PM
I'm cool with our small open, and with this smallish stack (where we don't want to bring up commitment issues with one pair, imo) I might even go smaller.

SPR is about 6 on the flop against the bigger stack (and only 3 against the smaller stack) and it's pretty drawy, and our stealish looking LP open didn't get 3bet preflop. So I'm feeling committed for stacks. I would probably overbet to $50 in order to setup a shove on the turn. I don't like our small bet since draws are calling pretty much any bet and smaller pairs are often folding on this board, which basically leaves Qx that we might lose to a big bet (or might not) but it's too small a range to simply target, imo.

Also not a fan of our turn sizing for much the same reasons as the flop. However, it mostly comes down to whether you feel committed on this flop with this SPR or not. If you don't, then perhaps sizing smaller to allow yourself room to fold is ok.

As played, kinda gross spot, although with such a small preflop raiser and him in the BB perhaps he does call enough weak Kx hands that we should commit anyways.

ETA: And one other thing I've been considering more and more lately is that it might be perfectly fine to simply open limp these hands in LP, especially with shortish stacks that can easily start facing commitment issues if it goes more than HU. I'm not yet convinced that the raise and take its / raise and cbets and takes its outweigh the times the raise/cbet doesn't work plus these sorts of cases. I'm not sure.

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05-28-2018 , 01:25 PM
What's up with these 1/3 games with $200 stacks?

Just shove over his c/r, there's no reason to call, he's not folding anything and if he had a bluff he's just going to fold river.
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