4 handed 1/3 game.. V acts like he’s some tough young baseball guy with a bunch of black chips in his pocket and wants to get a 2/5 started ASAP.. he starts raising $15-25 every hand, cbetting a lot and got called on one hand by another guy for a $90 river bluff.. he still seems to have a slight clue on what he’s doing. Opened for $20 with AK and got AJ to 3b shove $150-200 into him and held.

Hero OTOH hasn’t played a hand in the first 5 mins and feels like he needs to start somewhere.

Hand 1: $300 eff

Hero opens $8 with T8o OTB, V calls in BB.

Flop ($17): 642cc
V checks, Hero bets $15, V calls

Turn ($47): Tc (Hero has 8c)
V checks, Hero bets $25, V calls

River ($97): Ad
V bets $90, Hero calls and V shows Kc saying he missed. Gets upset and says he’s going to 3b me every hand now.

He gets stacked for $200ish on the next hand where he c/raises a cbet on A75dd with A6o and gets called down by A9ss. Reloads.


Hand 2:

Hero opens $8 with 75cc OTB, V 3bets to $31 in BB, Hero folds (should I never fold here? Seems like he’s going to put me in tough spots postflop if I call)



Hand 3: $300 eff

CO opens to $10, V flats OTB, Hero 3bets to $50 with AKo, CO folds, V calls. A board of Q99hh6x4x checks through and MHIG. Seems like he has given up on trying to bluff me off anymore.




Hand 4: $300 eff

Hero opens $8 with 43hh OTB, V calls in BB.

Flop ($17): Ts4d3d
V checks, Hero bets $15, V check/raises to $40, Hero raises to $145, V folds.

Should I have slowplayed this?



Hand 5: $300 eff

All of the above culminates into this hand..

V opens $15 OTB, Hero flats with AJo in BB (should I 3bet this against this guy who will never fold to a 3b and put me in tough spots in a bloated pot OOP?)

Flop ($31): KK6r
Hero checks, V bets $20, Hero calls

Turn ($71): 8x
Hero checks, V bets $40, Hero calls

River ($151): Tx
Hero checks, V shoves $200+, Hero ?

Flop call seems pretty standard, AJ seems pretty high up in my range. Turn, I’m sure this guy isn’t giving up so easily and double barreling a lot so I call again expecting that my hand looks like Kx and will slow down his bluffs. River, his shove is pretty polarized to Kx or better. Then again, I’m not sure why he’s shoving instead of value betting smaller. Against a maniac, is this a call sometimes?

Dude, that's a lot of hands in one thread....i'd separate them out to get more focused discussion.

H1:

I don't think it's a crime to fold this preflop, mainly because BB isn't going to allow us to have any easy pots.

If we're cbetting, I don't think there's any reason to cbet so much. Against a guy who likely isn't going to allow us any easy pots, I don't think checking back is horrible either and taking the free card / go for a delayed cbet.

I'd mostly check back the turn. We don't want to build a huge pot with our showdownable mediocre hand and we hate life if facing a check/raise. Instead, let's look as weak as hell and simply bluffcatch this guy on the river.

Not so sure I would bluffcatch this river given the overall strength we've shown. I guess everything worked out for the best, but I'm not really a fan of many streets, tbh.


H2:

Dude just says he's going to 3bet us every hand and we open 7 high? This is the hand we're going to war with? Again, I don't think there's anything wrong with open folding, but if you want to play it I think open limping is way better (much more cheaper flop in position with higher SPR which allows us to play poker postflop).


H3:

I think we're setting ourselves up for too awkward a flop spot when we whiff OOP against this guy. So with these stacks I probably lean to lol $90 - $100 to setup a flop shove when we whiff (likely slowplaying flop if we actually hit to induce a bluff). We're really looking to flex our FE with AK and I think this is the best way to do it.

Very fortunate that he allowed us to get to showdown for free (did we really expect that?). I would have cbet the flop as played.


H4:

It's not a crime to open limp the Button. There are times to do it and times not to do it, but having 0% FE and a decent chance of being 3bet is a pretty good time for it. Although I guess the one benefit of our super small open is that we are eliminating the SB and isolating the BB, but SB might be folding anyways so not sure it's worth it.

SPR is a rather huge 18 on the flop. Against the majority of players, playing for stacks with bottom two pair here is a really bad idea. Against this guy, especially since he thinks this flop missed us and flop is drawy, probably not. So I'm ok with our line.


H5:

Probably lots of arguments for all plays preflop. One of the drawbacks to playing to playing aggro players is that sometimes we'll level ourselves into playing for $300 stacks preflop with crap like AJo and run into hands that crush us, and then we've pretty much done the fishiest move we can do; kinda makes all the little victories we've had against him leading up to this point moot. We're OOP; we can just fold; I mean, it's not as if this guy is going to make our lives easy for us postflop unlike a face up player. Or we can just flat and play a small pot, but being OOP and just check/folding when we whiff probably ain't going to be too profitable.

Postflop is why folding preflop really isn't nearly as horrible as most will no doubt make it out to be.

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I dont think op was looking for feedback on all hands, just providing quick (and useful) history. Honestly much better than most histories.

Hands 1-4 are standard / wp

Its an ok calldown but honestly when I'm taking an absolute dump on someone I pass on the thin spots. Contrary to what everyone says, you can indeed wait for better spots.

The biggest problem with calling down tilters/spewers in spots like this is that they can be merging without realizing it (with like 98 or something). We also we want calldown more ip (and just give up turn or even flop here)

Yeah that’s exactly what I was thinking. Even some garbage like 62o that feels necessary to triple barrel shove.