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Old 03-23-2019, 07:13 PM   #1
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1/3: Heads Up with KJs Vs Good Player in BB

1/3 Live 10-Handed (No Rake, Time Charge)

BB is 35ish from Europe. He said heís played one million hands online and he seems to be a good thinking player. Heís more LAG than TAG but not too loose preflop. He has the tricky LAG moves: floats, check-raises, triple barrel with a bluff, etc.

It folds to me. Iím in UTG+3 (right of the LJ) with around $300. I look down at Ks Js.

I raise to $15. Is this open too loose?

Everyone folds to BB, who calls. He has me covered.

Flop ($31): 8c 8d 3c

BB checks.

Your play?
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Old 03-23-2019, 07:24 PM   #2
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Re: 1/3: Heads Up with KJs Vs Good Player in BB

is this guy really gonna float you OOP? bet $20 or so

checking just makes the hand difficult to play
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Old 03-23-2019, 07:27 PM   #3
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Re: 1/3: Heads Up with KJs Vs Good Player in BB

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is this guy really gonna float you OOP? bet $20 or so

checking just makes the hand difficult to play
He's capable. I've seen him float OOP and IP.
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Old 03-23-2019, 07:30 PM   #4
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He's capable. I've seen him float OOP and IP.
if hes really tricky and tough just check/give up and look for better spots vs weaker players, or when you actually have something. its 1/3 there are plenty of bad players to take advantage of. dont get into ego-driven battles vs. the good opponents.

i think pf is fine. limping is probably ok too. just dont fold.
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Old 03-23-2019, 07:40 PM   #5
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Re: 1/3: Heads Up with KJs Vs Good Player in BB

bad board for your range, no BDFD or BDSD, thinking good player should be pretty PP heavy here I would think

I think its pretty marginal but I'm leaning towards X'ing this one back for reasons above
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Old 03-23-2019, 07:46 PM   #6
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Re: 1/3: Heads Up with KJs Vs Good Player in BB

10 bucks
Can either bet big ott when checked to us when overcards hit or check behind to see a free river whatever you floats your boat
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Old 03-24-2019, 01:22 PM   #7
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Re: 1/3: Heads Up with KJs Vs Good Player in BB

1/3 Live 10-Handed (No Rake, Time Charge)

BB is 35ish from Europe. He said he’s played one million hands online and he seems to be a good thinking player. He’s more LAG than TAG but not too loose preflop. He has the tricky LAG moves: floats, check-raises, triple barrel with a bluff, etc.

It folds to me. I’m in UTG+3 (right of the LJ) with around $300. I look down at Ks Js.

I raise to $15. Is this open too loose?

Everyone folds to BB, who calls. He has me covered.

Flop ($31): 8c 8d 3c

BB checks.

I bet $30 and BB calls.

(After reading this thread and thinking about this hand, I think checking or betting $10-$15 is better.

Against good players, I am too unbalanced if I keep c-betting the pot.

With bad players, pot c-bets are much better because those players often look at the raw dollar amount of the bet. $15 is small, he must have a weak hand, I call. $30 is big, he must have a big hand, I fold.

Also, I need to play slower and think through the hand.

Anyways, back to the hand.)

Turn ($91): 8c 8d 3c Ad

BB checks.

Your play?
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Old 03-24-2019, 05:10 PM   #8
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Re: 1/3: Heads Up with KJs Vs Good Player in BB

great card for your range , I think he is PP heavy with some draws , he could have some AX but I feel you have more AX here as the pfr

lets put a bet in here, 50-65
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Old 03-24-2019, 06:40 PM   #9
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Re: 1/3: Heads Up with KJs Vs Good Player in BB

Of course open KJs pre from here. Cks are cool on all streets. Ck turn AP. He's going to lead river for 60 and you can call non-clubs if you want, but mostly just give up.
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Old 03-24-2019, 07:03 PM   #10
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great card for your range , I think he is PP heavy with some draws , he could have some AX but I feel you have more AX here as the pfr

lets put a bet in here, 50-65
i dunno i think if i was hero and had Ax here on the turn id check against anyone with half a brain, no worse hands call and no better hands fold, and i dont want to face a turn cr
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Old 03-24-2019, 07:18 PM   #11
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Re: 1/3: Heads Up with KJs Vs Good Player in BB

So if everything worse than Ax is gonna fold I guess we barrel all our air
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Old 03-25-2019, 12:57 PM   #12
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Re: 1/3: Heads Up with KJs Vs Good Player in BB

In my loose game this would be too loose an open from this early; it would mostly just created a bloated multiway pot OOP to many (only 3 people have acted, we still have 6 to react behind us with 4 of those people having position on us). Here, we managed to get in HU in position, so if that's often expected...

Against someone tricky and aware I might just check this flop back. I'm trying to make my hand look like an overpair attempting to get to showdown for cheap / worried about trips. Against a more run-of-the-mill straightforward player I would cbet small to get Ax to fold.

ETA#1: FWIW, we're certainly allowed to fold preflop (unlike someone mentioned absolutely not to do). The easier your game / more clueless your opponents / the less chance of a preflop raise / etc. the more you're fine with getting into a pot with them; the harder your game / the more with a clue your opponents are / the more raisey your game is / etc., you're allowed to pass on marginal hands in OOP.

ETA#2: I don't like the huge bet size on the flop. I would mostly double barrel here as now he'll have to fold most of his ATC floats as it looks like we've now hit our Ace. I'd do a 1/2 PSB, probably giving up on the river (noting that K high will win often enough against busted club draws).

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Old 03-25-2019, 01:02 PM   #13
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Re: 1/3: Heads Up with KJs Vs Good Player in BB

You think checking this flop makes your hand look like an overpair?

Troll?
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Old 03-25-2019, 01:10 PM   #14
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Re: 1/3: Heads Up with KJs Vs Good Player in BB

Your full pot cbet Fuked this hand up beyond repair.

Give up now. You condensed him to flush draws, pocket pairs, boats and 8's.


Paired boards are always a check or a half pot bet from the initial raiser. If you never deviate from this you will be golden.


In a perfect world you bet 15 OTF and bet 30 OTT. Giving up if called again.
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Old 03-25-2019, 01:35 PM   #15
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Re: 1/3: Heads Up with KJs Vs Good Player in BB

pre is fine, probably can’t go too much looser than this though

This flop is drier than a nuns crumpet, please don’t bet pot on it, 1/3rd or x looks good
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Old 03-25-2019, 01:51 PM   #16
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Re: 1/3: Heads Up with KJs Vs Good Player in BB

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You think checking this flop makes your hand look like an overpair?
Against a good thinking player who knows that I know that he check/raises / floats / etc., yes.

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Old 03-25-2019, 02:40 PM   #17
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Re: 1/3: Heads Up with KJs Vs Good Player in BB

Open pre is good/fine.

Flop PSB is bad. Bet smaller. You have air with no draws but I still prefer small bet to x. It gets you to most rivers for the price of the c-bet and you'll see a J, Q, K or A >55% of the time.

Turn is good card to double barrel - go 60/90 here.
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Old 03-25-2019, 03:04 PM   #18
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Re: 1/3: Heads Up with KJs Vs Good Player in BB

Pre is fine but 5x is a bit too much. As played cbet flop for sure. Playing live some of the more gto-sized cbets dont get much respect so i would go $20.
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Old 03-25-2019, 03:26 PM   #19
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Re: 1/3: Heads Up with KJs Vs Good Player in BB

Against a tricky player, you want to check back this flop with your ENTIRE range because he will put pressure on you knowing you have very few 8x if any.
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Old 03-25-2019, 03:35 PM   #20
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Re: 1/3: Heads Up with KJs Vs Good Player in BB

1/3 Live 10-Handed (No Rake, Time Charge)

BB is 35ish from Europe. He said heís played one million hands online and he seems to be a good thinking player. Heís more LAG than TAG but not too loose preflop. He has the tricky LAG moves: floats, check-raises, triple barrel with a bluff, etc.

It folds to me. Iím in UTG+3 (right of the LJ) with around $300. I look down at Ks Js.

I raise to $15. Is this open too loose?

Everyone folds to BB, who calls. He has me covered.

Flop ($31): 8c 8d 3c

BB checks.

I bet $30 and BB calls.

(After reading this thread and thinking about this hand, I think checking or betting $10-$15 is better.

Against good players, I am too unbalanced if I keep c-betting the pot.

With bad players, pot c-bets are much better because those players often look at the raw dollar amount of the bet. $15 is small, he must have a weak hand, I call. $30 is big, he must have a big hand, I fold.

Also, I need to play slower and think through the hand.

Anyways, back to the hand.)

Turn ($91): 8c 8d 3c Ad

BB checks.

I bet $50.

BB check-raises to $125.

I fold.

He showed his hand.

What do you think he had? I'll give you 3 guesses.
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Old 03-25-2019, 03:45 PM   #21
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Re: 1/3: Heads Up with KJs Vs Good Player in BB

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Turn ($91): 8c 8d 3c Ad

BB checks.
I bet $50.
BB check-raises to $125.
I fold.
He showed his hand.

What do you think he had?
T9

nh villain
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Old 03-25-2019, 03:53 PM   #22
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King jack of clubs wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Old 03-25-2019, 04:17 PM   #23
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1/3 Live 10-Handed (No Rake, Time Charge)
What do you think he had? I'll give you 3 guesses.
8x, club draws, or pure bluff
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Old 03-25-2019, 04:18 PM   #24
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I'll go the more "they're not playing back at us route" and guess he had us crushed. Doubt he'd check/raise with just Ax, so more like some sorta lol 8x or 33.

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Old 03-25-2019, 06:16 PM   #25
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He's got 3's. He thinks you have an ace and hopefully a flush draw.
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