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Old 12-08-2017, 12:23 AM   #26
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Re: 1/3 hand advice

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What's your point? So what if villain is unwilling to fold a hand he should not consider folding?
My point is that you should think of how this hand applies to other hands you could have against this villain. What happens if you raise TT and get 3 bet?
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Old 12-08-2017, 12:25 AM   #27
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When we call a 3! against a typical LLSNL V who only 3! QQ+, we still need the set mining odds to be able to stack them. How often do you get set mining odds on a 3! in a typical LLSNL table?

Otherwise we are dominated by their higher PP and are just setting money on fire.

Btw I'm not even sure how it's relevant to this hand. Guy had KK with $200 behind. He wasn't folding, nor was it correct to fold on that flop for either of you.
This guy min raised us.

Bet sizing of bad players is often horrible. We get odds to draw on them all the time. And lots of V have super tight PFR ranges anyway to where this analysis is just as relevant.
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Old 12-08-2017, 01:22 AM   #28
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Re: 1/3 hand advice

I prefer a call PF. Getting calls from the other 2 is just fine because we are suited and it's 1/3. The fact that we act first post can actually be used to our advantage.

There's goofy, transparent stuff you can do at 1/3 when you have players stuck in the middle. Like flop a nice draw and bet small and get 2-3 calls then still get paid when you hit. You can get paid by worse aces and kings as well.

If we wiff, we get off cheap.

On the other hand, going first heads up between just the two aggressors will usually be bad.
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Old 12-08-2017, 12:49 PM   #29
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This is your reminder that loose passive V hate to fold overpairs, and if you had a hand like TT or 66 that called a 3 bet and nailed the flop, you'd have gotten a double up
Yep... I've been getting crushed by LP players lately.. Lots of hands where I flop top two or tptk, and value 3/4-full pot on all streets, and they suck out on the river with flush or trips. They are the players that should be paying me off and I have had a week long stretch of them stacking me, because they make two bad calls and then river the long shot nuts. Its been incredibly frustrating to deal with, but that's variation for you. I have had two sessions that really should have been wins and I get stacked by lp player..
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