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03-25-2018 , 08:10 PM
Villain 1 - MP1 Tight Aggressive Older Man, Doesnt play many hands. ($350)

Villain 2 - HJ Loose, non thinking player, buying in for $100 and has done so at least 4 times in the 1.5hrs since we sat down. ($55)

Hero - BB - Tight Aggressive image, won the hands played so far. ($450)

OTTH- Folds to V1 who makes it $10 to go, V2 calls, and hero calls for $7 more with 9c9s

Flop - 9d6h3c

V1 checks, V2 checks, Hero bets $45 to put V2 all in and put pressure on V1.

V1 thinks a good while and seemingly reluctantly calls, V2 calls for all in.

Turn is Jh

V1 checks, Hero bets $80, V1 CR to $180.

Hero???
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03-25-2018 , 08:15 PM
This is never a fold. If he hit JJ on the turn, good for him. He could be doing this with AA, KK, QQ. Ace Jack doesn’t seem likely. Unless you have a solid read, call.
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03-25-2018 , 08:28 PM
This is a really really easy shove.
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03-25-2018 , 09:37 PM
Shoveling money into the pot seems to be the correct play here.

Sorry if you got set over setted
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03-25-2018 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by LovePocket10's
Villain 1 - MP1 Tight Aggressive Older Man, Doesnt play many hands. ($350)

Villain 2 - HJ Loose, non thinking player, buying in for $100 and has done so at least 4 times in the 1.5hrs since we sat down. ($55)

Hero - BB - Tight Aggressive image, won the hands played so far. ($450)

OTTH- Folds to V1 who makes it $10 to go, V2 calls, and hero calls for $7 more with 9c9s

Flop - 9d6h3c

V1 checks, V2 checks, Hero bets $45 to put V2 all in and put pressure on V1.

V1 thinks a good while and seemingly reluctantly calls, V2 calls for all in.

Turn is Jh

V1 checks, Hero bets $80, V1 CR to $180.

Hero???
Depends on the old man. There are some old men who are not crai OTT without the nuts. I know who those guys are around here. They would just x/c with AA, possibly lead, but not raise. They would not have worse sets in their MP1 opening range either. TT+ AK. That's it.

Calling is fine as a general rule but there are definitely some OMCs who are only CRAI with JJ OTT. You have to go with your gut and look for live reads. The old man seemed hesitant on the flop but his manner has changed OTT? That would set off alarm bells for me.

OTOH your pot odds are really good so you would have to be damn sure this is the kind of OMC who only raises with the nuts in order to fold.
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03-25-2018 , 11:37 PM
I’d expect a c-bet from V1 if he had JJ on that flop. Maybe AA checks for deception, but with V2 being loose I’d be betting the flop with any over pair trying to get him to commit his chips.

Granted I’ve seen OWM’s raise PF with AA only to check/call to the river on dry board. Unless you know the guy to only bet the nuts, I’d shove. There is a chance maybe he has AK/AQ suited...maybe 87, 54 suited or 9x with a flush draw (if his PF range would include these holdings) and is semi-bluffing. He might have AJ and think he has the best hand.





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03-26-2018 , 02:33 AM
You ship the chips into the middle feeling 100% happy.
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03-26-2018 , 05:50 AM
I would go all in because set


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03-26-2018 , 10:27 AM
Trivial shove
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03-26-2018 , 12:32 PM
When V1 CR me I had the worst gut feeling that I was beat. I couldn't imagine him doing that with anything worse than two pair, and that wasn't an option in that board, I also didnt believe he would raise pre with 66 or 33. I flat called though.

River brought an 8, and V1 led out for $100. At this point the possibility of him having AA or KK seemed like a option due to him not shoving. I called again. He showed JJ. I wasn't surprised. I really think I butchered this hand by not going with my gut OTT, but I just convinced myself he couldn't REALLY have it, you know? Anyway, non thinking V2 called the $45 all in with Q10o and ended up rivering the nuts, and winning the smaller pot.

I dont get to play near as much live poker as I would like.
That makes hands like these harder to swallow because I get to let it fester in my head until the next time I get to play.
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03-26-2018 , 12:38 PM
That's a massive flop bet. I'd probably go $20, but if you have exploitative reasons to think you'll get called go for it.

Now snap call turn
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03-27-2018 , 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by LovePocket10's
When V1 CR me I had the worst gut feeling that I was beat. I couldn't imagine him doing that with anything worse than two pair, and that wasn't an option in that board, I also didnt believe he would raise pre with 66 or 33. I flat called though.

River brought an 8, and V1 led out for $100. At this point the possibility of him having AA or KK seemed like a option due to him not shoving. I called again. He showed JJ. I wasn't surprised. I really think I butchered this hand by not going with my gut OTT, but I just convinced myself he couldn't REALLY have it, you know? Anyway, non thinking V2 called the $45 all in with Q10o and ended up rivering the nuts, and winning the smaller pot.

I dont get to play near as much live poker as I would like.
That makes hands like these harder to swallow because I get to let it fester in my head until the next time I get to play.
Yeah I know everyone is like "snap call I has set" and against 99% of opponents that's great, but there are quite a few old men who will only raise JJ on this turn and nothing else. He might raise a lower set but he's the PFR and those just aren't in his range. All he can have is JJ or an overpair, and lotta old men are not going to raise with just an overpair.

There are guys where I play I would snap fold this. The other day I saw this OMC do a CRAI on K65tt. He had raised UTG. I snap folded my 65 because he has KK, period. That's it. He gets called twice and sure enough KK. Triples up. Goes back to folding for the next three hours. I did get into a hand with him later where I won a decent pot vs his TPTK but the difference was I was the PFR, I have an aggressive image, and he was just calling my bets, not raising them. If a deep stacked, tight old man shoves and seems happy about it, he's probably got the nuts.

Just make a mental note of the guy and move on. Try to catalogue people who play this tight because it's very valuable knowing which players will only raise with the nuts.
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