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12-04-2018 , 07:34 PM
This is a hand a friend of mine played a few minutes ago. We are sitting at the same table.

Hero 560€
Villain (mp) 400€ obviously a recreational player. Before he x/r allin in a 3b pot on a J76 flop with KQ with 100bb. Clearly the spot at the table. Takes the cards from the table to see what he has.

2 limpers, hero overlimps K4 otb, sb folds, bb checks.

Flop (13€) K22
Checks through

Turn (13€) K227
checks to villain who bets 17€, only hero calls.

River (47€) K2272
Villain bets 10€, hero raises to 60€, villain 3b to 260€, hero?

FOLD PRE

Last edited by SUYAPA; 12-04-2018 at 07:45 PM.
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12-04-2018 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SUYAPA
This is a hand a friend of mine played a few minutes ago. We are sitting at the same table.

Hero 560€
Villain (mp) 400€ obviously a recreational player. Before he x/r allin in a 3b pot on a J76 flop with KQ with 100bb. Clearly the spot at the table. Takes the cards from the table to see what he has.

2 limpers, hero overlimps K4 otb, sb folds, bb checks.

Flop (13€) K22
Checks through

Turn (13€) K227
checks to villain who bets 17€, only hero calls.

River (47€) K2272
Villain bets 10€, hero raises to 60€, villain 3b to 260€, hero?
In the future, I advocate folding pre.

Since he saw a flop:
Bet Flop
Check Turn
Don't raise River

As played, fold to river reraise.
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12-04-2018 , 07:45 PM
Almost always a fold pre. Maybe with more limpers you can kind of justify it.

Pretty brutal on the river. Even this guy is unlikely to be bluffing. So basically you're hoping that he is overplaying either a K or possibly even a flush.

It's probably a live read spot, especially against this guy. But you still have the problem of guessing if he understands the hand values here.

The size is so big, and you are hoping for a chop quite often. I think you can fold if you can't get some sort of read.

GTO would be to see his cards when he picks them up.
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12-04-2018 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by canadiasian
In the future, I advocate folding pre.
Ya i told him
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12-04-2018 , 11:12 PM
This deep, this is a totally fine hand to play on the button for a small price, assuming you can ditch it post flop.

Flop check is great, but once the turn comes in, you are only beating a bluff - you lose to flushes, 2s, and chop with most Kings. Just fold.

As played, what’s the pony in raising the river, nothing you beat should call.
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12-04-2018 , 11:17 PM
Every street was played wrong. River is easy fold with 3rd(oi KK) nuts.
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12-05-2018 , 12:19 AM
I'm raising river vs this tool.

But folding to 3bet
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12-05-2018 , 01:32 AM
Routine at-least-overcall otb against clowns. Raise river but far smaller, fold to 3b. What’s the problem?

Unless you’re trying to convey that V is completely clueless and doesn’t know the rules, in which case raise riv less and then call.
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12-05-2018 , 12:19 PM
With this spot in the hand I'm cool with the Button overlimp (with no spots I lean to dumping Kxs).

I'm either/or on the flop. There is a flush draw we can charge but bigger Kx will often check this flop so I'm cool with seeing a turn to see what happens.

I just fold the turn. Yeah, he got weird in the HH hand with nothing. But we beat no Kx, no 2x and no flush, and he just overbet this small worthless pot. Has to be better spots than this, imo.

If you don't know what to do facing a reraise against this guy then I wouldn't have raised the river to begin with. Another thing to keep in mind is that his HH was obviously a flop bluff to attempt to get someone off better; here, this is doubtful to be a bluff attempting to do that. It's a stupid spot as he's basically freerolling us as we're just calling to chop at best.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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12-05-2018 , 12:34 PM
If V has a K or less, what a great raise!
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12-05-2018 , 01:35 PM
Limping pre isn't that bad come on.

River I'm folding to the 3b, would be very funny if he had a worse hand though.
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12-05-2018 , 01:54 PM
I wouldnt limp this hand pre but dont think its that bad.
I think he played the hand fine, but i would raise smaller and definitely would fold to the huge raise otr because i dont think this guy is ever bluffing there or 3b a worse hand.

My friend called and lost to J2
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12-05-2018 , 02:09 PM
i would just call on the river.

kind of an easy fold to the shove. sometimes the maniac picks a good spot to bluff, what can you do? i am not going broke vs 3 limpers with so little invested.
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12-05-2018 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SUYAPA
I wouldnt limp this hand pre but dont think its that bad.
I think he played the hand fine, but i would raise smaller and definitely would fold to the huge raise otr because i dont think this guy is ever bluffing there or 3b a worse hand.

My friend called and lost to J2
Ur friend got owned by the table mark
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12-05-2018 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by mdelore
Ur friend got owned by the table mark
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12-05-2018 , 10:03 PM
Overlimping with K4ss in position is perfectly fine -- I would go so far as to say that folding preflop would be a mistake. The value of the hand in Flush over Flush scenarios with the benefit of position is just too strong.

I think the river raise is justified, but I would go much smaller. We're hoping to get value from a 7, so I would make it like 30-35. 60 is going to fold out everything except for a King. Gross spot on the river when we're reraised -- I think it comes down to live reads and how likely Villain is to play a King in this way. He obviously has a ton more Kx in his range than 2x, so if he's playing a King this way even a fraction of the time it is probably a call.
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12-05-2018 , 10:51 PM
No
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12-05-2018 , 11:12 PM
C'mon pre isn't that bad and I can be pretty nitty.

Bet flop.

Turn ok AP.

OTR is pretty meh, raise is fine but vs that huge sizing i let it go. prob raise slightly smaller
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12-05-2018 , 11:19 PM
Don't care about pre but can we agree someone as bad as OP's friend shouldn't be limping here based on post.

Flop needs to be a bet.

Turn is very meh. Does everyone realize villain overbet pot?

River is whatever. Raise a little big. Wouldn't mind just calling. Think there's an overestimation on getting called here. After 3b it couldn't be a faster fold.
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12-06-2018 , 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by SUYAPA
This is a hand a friend of mine played a few minutes ago. We are sitting at the same table.

Hero 560€
Villain (mp) 400€ obviously a recreational player. Before he x/r allin in a 3b pot on a J76 flop with KQ with 100bb. Clearly the spot at the table. Takes the cards from the table to see what he has.
I'm tempted wear a messed up shirt and do this next time I play live and see what kind of outrageous calls I get
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12-06-2018 , 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by wait
Don't care about pre but can we agree someone as bad as OP's friend shouldn't be limping here based on post.
Agree lol
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12-06-2018 , 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by mdelore
I'm tempted wear a messed up shirt and do this next time I play live and see what kind of outrageous calls I get
hahahaha
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12-06-2018 , 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
Agree lol
come on guys he isnt a bad player
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