This charity room closes at midnight, so this has been announced as the last hand of the night. Players always get gambooly at this stage, and particularly so on the last hand.

Hero: young 30s WG. Likely seen as LAG and with a slightly loosing image as table has seen Hero run pretty bad in big pots.

e.g. Hero flopped flush with 34 on board of 257, Hero lead $80 into a pot of $90 on 6-way flop, V1 shoved for $190 total with 76 and hit the J on river.

In another hand Hero limped with 33, limped pot went 6-ways on J43r, bet $15 and call in front of Hero, Hero raises to $65, same V1 shoved for $230 more. Hero called, and lost when V1's J4o boated on the turn.

V1 - loose, active, bluffy, poor understanding of when to "make plays." Kind of a button clicker.

V2 - nit TP.

V3 - TAG thinking player. He and Hero haven't really clashed.

V4 - New to table, no reads. Probably 30's WG.

Effective stacks: $350

Hero (UTG) raises to $25 with JJ. Hero never open raises this large but is trying to take advantage of the last-hand dynamic, because no one will fold a decent hand regardless of price. Should I be l/rr instead?

V1 calls on Hero's left. V2 calls UTG+2. V3 calls in CO. V4 calls on BTN. Blinds folds.

Flop ($125) K 8 4

Hero first to act....

These are tough spots for me. I would probably lead here about 75 and see what happens. You can also c/c? I like to lead since AK can be in my range you might take it down right here. IF you check do you fold on a 75 dollar bet? If you get raised you are done if someone flat then you can check cal check fold on other streets or maybe the jack peels. I am OK with either play. I have been reading and studying lately, from that it says we are betting to fold but a lead here might allow you to take it down

limp/reraising actually soudns decent

either check (and probably fold, depending on who bets) or bet 50 and give up

This is a nobrainer limp/reraise (perhaps even a limp/shove) for me given this dynamic of last hand / losing image / loose table. We know a big raise has zero chance at thinning the field on this "last hand" and we don't really want to go multiway cuz we're going to hate so many flops. If I was to open, I'd open to $40 (where I'm guessing we'd still manage to get action), but a limp/reraise is so much better, imo.

Super dry flop, I'd probably just bet like lol $40 for protection against random overs and see what happens, probably giving up on the hand if anyone calls.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Prime spot for a l/rr. Someone almost always opens the last hand of the night, in my experience.

Fire out about $60 on the flop. An UTG raise then betting a super dry K-high board should get folds from most non-K hands.

5 way I like checking OTF especially given the dynamic that we can expect light peels and we have some tough players in the hand.

But, do we really want to ''thin the field'' with a medium/high PP in a cash game even if OOP?

If we're not fistpumpy happy about the exact situation we got ourselves into on the flop (which is a totally expected result, imo), then yeah. If we're happy with this flop spot and find it super easy ABC profitable, then obviously we have less reason to avoid it.

Gavoidingtoughspotsishalf(maybemore?)thebattle,imo G

+1 for l/rr given the dynamic.

AP, first instinct is to take the usual Cbet Axx/Kxx and then be done with it, but given these dynamics, I'm just not going HAM with near zero FE wth multiple ranges more frequently seeing the riv for stacks. So lol ck-f, rack up before anyone else and forget about it before your keys hit the ignition.

Meh. We only put in 20% of the money pf, we will have an overpair on 40% of flops, 12%? of the time we flop a set. With the aid of live tells we can sometimes c bet a board with an overcard, sometimes even double barrel. Sometimes we check/call a LP bet. Sometimes the flop checks though and we can get one or two streets of value. Occasionally we fold the best hand, but who cares because we more than make up for it the other times.

Great NL players push small edges, learn to maneuver in tricky spots post flop. If we pass up these edges because we don´t want to have tough decisions, how do we ever become great players?

Grunch: I like a Ck... What would the purpose of our bet be? Extract from middle pair or 99

I think a Ck and fold prob quite reasonable

I don't think we're necessarily disagreeing here; I'm just very aware of *my* skill level (or lack thereof). Building big pots OOP with mediocre hands so tricky players can possibly steal them from me postflop (keeping in mind it sounds like V2 is the only one we have a handle on) ain't a good plan... for *me*.

I meant what I stated above: if we're happy with the result and are confident how to move thru it postflop, then preflop was a good plan. If we're not happy with the result and are pretty unsure how to move thru it, then preflop was not a good plan.

GsoourplansmightdifferG