1/3 @ the wynn

Fishy looking Arab kid, no reads as just table changed
Eff stacks 350

H btn aqhh
V Hj

V opens 15
H calls
Bb calls

Flop (45) 874hh
V leads for 50,H calls,Fold

Turn (145) 7c
V bets 50
H?

Well, because of his horrible bet sizing, you can certainly call to see a river. I hate to draw on a paired board, so there's that.

I would have 3 bet preflop. Failing that, I probably would have raised pretty big OTF, then gone from there.

AP, I guess I don't hate any of your options, although I feel you are a little SS for a raise here. I could fold, I could call, feel pretty meh about it either way.

What do you think v's range looks like as played?

I like raising pretty big otf if not just getting it all in.

I think with his small open his range can be pretty wide, all the sets, all overpairs, AK, etc. That same bet thing generally means a medium strength hand that is betting to see where it's at, and generally a pretty sizable raise will take this down. The problem with that here is that you can't threaten a big river bet if you raise in the 100-125 range, so your best option is AI, which looks a bit spewy, especially after you just call the flop. Don't get me wrong, I think it works an OK percentage of the time, I'm just not in love with it.

In the end I jammed the turn, definitely influenced by his weak bet on the turn. Board bricks out he shows aa fml

I think this is played fine. I'd jam the turn. Same bet usually means weakness and you should expect a decent % of FE.

I'm cool with flatting preflop given we have zero reads / history.

I'd shove the flop. Overs + nut flush draw is actually the best hand a lot equity-wise plus we should have decent FE. The pot is already huge compared to stacks, it is worth going after.

As played, flop/turn bet sizing kinda screams fullhouse to me, but if our read is "fishy" (I'm reading that as inexperienced) as guess call getting 4:1, but sure feels like a tarp.

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Turn is somewhere between a call and a fold. Not raising when Im not sure what better hands a fishy looking 1/3 player folds that take his line.

Preflop you should be 3bet/folding to $45. This hand is too strong to flat when you've got live players opening KTo and 54s, but it's an easy fold if you get 4bet.

As played, raise big on the flop and get your stack in immediately.

Can the turn ever be a fold? $50 into $195? Don't we need just 20% equity to continue? Think we have more than 20% equity vs anything except 88/44.

Calling pre is perfectly fine. Calling the flop is perfectly fine. Raising the turn is pretty bad. Raising turns on flush draws in general is bad because your equity is far lower on the turn than the flop. In this instance it's doubly bad because the board paired which lowers your equity even more vs his range. When a villain bets real small like this on a board that just paired I'd be very wary that he didn't already have a boat. In this instance I think it's highly unlikely he has a boat here given he was the preflop raiser. If that is the case then he made a major mistake sizing this bet so small. We are getting great odds/implied odds to draw to our flush and we get to play this hand in position which is a major advantage if we bink the river.

+1

I don't understand the shove turn comments either. You're shoving money when (1) you're a dog and only better will call you or (2) even if you're somehow leading, you're blowing the guy out of the water and preventing him from bluffing again OTR. Aturn overbet doesn't make money in this scenario IMO.

OTOH, if you call turn, you're in position to see what PFR does again OTR. If he barrels again, then you can give PFR credit for having, at a minimum, a big pocket pair. You have a solid idea of what his range truly is. And you'll know if you want to commit more chips OTR (i.e., if you hit your flush).

After giving it more thought this is the conclusion I came to, also

evens pros still have big time laying down AA on no 4 flush 4 straight 3 barrels boards..

OK, so I did not advocate for the turn shove, although I thought it was fine. What you are doing here is playing your opponent more than the cards. Yes, you are turning your equity into a bluff, but that's fine when you start doing this a lot in this situation.

I guarantee you it makes money. A lot of money. It is specifically aimed at the "same bet" line taken by a lot of fish, and fishy regs. They don't want to play a big pot, but they are scared you will bet if checked to, therefore, they make the "same bet". I would almost auto raise with ATC. And so what? H ran into the top of his range, it happens. If I don't have a read here that V stacks off with a flush on board or calls a bet with middle pair, I'm happy to make him surrender his equity.

The reason I said the raise AI was just ok in this particular case is because we almost have too much equity here for this move. We are getting approximately the expressed odds we need to make this call, if our flush is good, even if our As and Qs are no good. On the flip side, I do hate drawing on a paired board, which makes me lean back towards the auto raise (which has nothing whatsoever to do with our equity, or it being halved, or being a dog, or leading). Thinking about this hand a bit more, in a vacuum, I am probably 40-30-30 raise-call-fold.

It's really bad to try to bluff a fish that you have absolutely no reads on and have no clue what he is capable of calling/folding in this spot. There are times to bluff in live low stakes, but when people talk about utilizing a value oriented strategy to beat LLSNL this is the exact type of spot they are talking about.

BTW, advocating a fold in this spot is even worse.

If you never fold in this spot, you have an odd definition of value oriented strategy.

Nor did I advocate a fold.

Folding in this spot is just bad. We are getting good odds to call here. That's simply a math equation.