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1/3 game with Qc4c in the BB 1/3 game with Qc4c in the BB

07-21-2018 , 10:48 PM
Hi all,

V1: Newer to poker for sure. Early 30's WG. He is newly married and his wife came to watch him play around 10 minutes ago.

He is on my immediate left and about an hour or so prior to this hand he said I'll play with you after calling a few of my pre flop opens cuz no one else would.

He has me slightly covered this hand.

He is generally playing well ,however, he did get caught bluffing once multiway.

H: I have $320 to start the hand. I am playing a lot of pots in position and trying to target this guy who keeps limp calling with pre on my right. I think V may be somewhat aware of this (but probably not)

OTTH: V limps UTG and the SB calls I check with Q4

Flop ($9) KQ4

SB checks, I check (I honestly go for a check raise her a ton but didn't this time. Sometimes I will lead out as well) and V bets $15

SB folds and I call.. probably a mistake to just call

($39) Turn: 3 I check and he bets $30.. I call

($99)River 5 I check and he jams for like

$285 total

Such a gross spot. I played the hand soooo passively.

Should we call here?

It's such a huge overbet and he bet soooo fast on the river as soon as I checked.

I feel like we are near the very top of our range here

He could have J10 or missed hearts a lot He could limp KQ some of the time, however, I don't think KQ jams the river especially so quick.

What hands should we be calling/folding here
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07-22-2018 , 03:02 AM
I'd say the flop is a lead out close to 100% of the time, especially in a limped pot. One player already checked and there's only one more behind. The board is very wet. There aren't a ton of turns that will improve Vs to second best.

CR the flop.

CR the turn.

As played, I'd fold the river. People limp surprising hands far more often than they make huge overbets with nothing. Limping KK or QQ utg wouldn't even be very surprising.

Also, to me it looks like he has a big hand. While he might not know what value targeting is, he has bet into you pretty hard twice and thinks you must have something pretty good. He decided to go for a huge win.

Edit: to answer your Q, I think his value range is mostly 2p+ and most of those are kings up. He will sometimes have AA. Is he limping Kx suited utg? If so, I guess you call with KQ or maybe K5. If not, you probably need a set. KQ seems nice because it blocks sets, but if he never has a worse 2 pair, that doesn't do you much good. And it also blocks KQ, which might be his worst value hand.

Last edited by ES2; 07-22-2018 at 03:14 AM.
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07-22-2018 , 03:14 AM
LOL river isn't even slightly sick, just fold. If he bluffed, fine whatever.

Flop I lead out 100% here. AP I'm not x/r-ing this size. Looks either nutted or sized big because he wants to find out where he's at with TP and will fold to a raise. But if that's the case he slows down OTT.

Turn I'm getting pretty nervous by this sizing but not folding OFC.

River is a trivial fold.
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07-23-2018 , 12:37 PM
I think I mostly just bet/fold until a draw comes in.

As played (checking the flop) I'm actually fine with just calling. It's an overbet into the pot on a drawy board and KK/QQ/KQ are limped up front all the time.

I'm also just calling the turn for the same reasons as the flop. ETA: Like above poster, I'm actually getting fairly nervous on this sizing; the decision isn't between check/raising and calling, it's between calling and folding (but I'm still calling as AK / etc. can still be in the mix and it looks like we're chasing a draw).

On the river I think I would actually lean towards a small bet/fold where I can then set my own price.

As played, I fold. Very few people over jam the river without nuttish hands (especially since stuff like A2hh just got there).

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