Hi all,

V1: older player very tight pretty typical of an OMC. Barely playing any hands.

V2: younger kid prob 21. Bought in for like 150 limo calling a bit but only been here 20 mins.

H: I have both players covered. Young guy. Playing tons of hands in position.

Folds to V1 who calls Incthe HJ I RAISE to 15 with KQ

V2 calls in the SB and V1 calls

($48) Flop is K103

SB leads for 25 and V1 folds we call

($98) Turn: 7

He tries to bet 50 but string bets and only does 25 and we call

(148) river is 3 and he jams for 78

What do you do here?

Thoughts on hands overall?

Easy fold OTR. I'd probably call river on any non-heart bricks.
He's never taking this line with any hands we beat. The only bluffs he has are AJ, QJ, and AQ, so you having the Qc here makes it even less likely he's just bluffing. Feels like KT, a flush, or TT.

this is a weird spot but i feel like its going to play itself out if its a cooler because of his stack size, I probably would have just called on the flop also to make sure his worse hands stick around, the turn would have been decision time for me, but once again it got weird because he want able to the 50, even though it was 25 i would have made my decision as if it was 50, if i just call the flop im shoving the turn v this stack size and if im beat in this spot oh well, as played i can find a nitty fold because he hasnt stopped showing strength even though the flush came in, he has 1010 here alot,i dont really believe in being priced in, If i feel im beat im out....take my words with a grain of salt im just trying to become more active in posting/learning

niiiice you wrote this while i was posting, i called it a nitty fold you called it a easy fold, i agree its more an easy fold than a tough one

So the string bet reeks of someone who has no idea what they're doing. I generally call those people down a bit lighter, however they aren't often the ones leading the betting either, so this spot is sort of unique. Usually I value bet them much more relentlessly, even though it's a high variance spot. I think getting 3:1 OTR you have to call here. Yeah, it sucks the hearts got there, and this would be much better if you had 1 in your hand, but there's enough bizarre Kx/Tx hands that can take this line.

I don't hate a fold, and maybe I'm reading way too much into the string bet, but this just feels like a novice to me, and the biggest mistake made by novices is they will still go to the felt with TPNK.

How do we not GII on the flop or turn here given the effective stacks?

AP, despite the good pot odds, this should be a trivial fold given we beat only KJ, & why would an OMC 3 barrel that on a 3 flush board? If we thought QJ was in their range in the first place, not simply jamming flop or turn is terrible.

Even newbies cab get a hand "the hard way".

Happens.

It's not OMC, it's the young kid.

I agree at his stack depth we should have raised the flop or turn (or folded). As played, just fold. He's in the SB and could have anything (although now that we are here the hard way it's very tempting to call).

This is a great example of why playing passive poker is a killer. Hero needs to raise this flop (or at least raise the turn) for value and to help define V's range so that we can make a better decision OTR. If we simply are going to flop top pair and try to take it to showdown as cheaply as possible, we will be flipping coins on the river (meaning winning ~50%) and the pots that we do win will tend to be smaller than those we lose (as good V's will value town us to death while we never get value from our hands).

AP, your hand is a bluff catcher now as you beat none of V's value range. The pot is laying you ~3-1 so we need be good 25% of the time to call. Given how we played the hand and the run out, my guess is this isn't enough.

Call river. Your minimum defense frequency is about 67% here. KQ is way better than 33rd percentile in your range otr. You also beat lots of hands in his range for this fishy line, KJ, K9, QJ, AJ, AQ.

I'm ok with preflop.

With V1 out of the picture, the pot already ~$75, the kid only having $110 left, and the board super drawy, I think this is a trivial shove at this point.

Same sorta reasoning for the turn. If we just call, the pot will be $150 with us only having $85 left; are we planning on folding? Meanwhile we risk a bunch of scare cards.

We shouldn't have even gotten to the later streets, but I guess we can fold this river (although he sometimes shows up with busted QJ).

Basically, know when you are committed and then commit (especially on drawy boards), imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG

+1

GimoG

My bad. I agree it doesn't change much in this instance.

Vil loves to limp call and can have many worse Kx hands. If he was barreling with a fd we have to kick ourselves for not raising and pay him off

+1 on turn shove with stack sizes. He's calling off with worse Kx and we charge him for his draws.

put it in on turn, call river ap

**bah w/e I'll go w GG, maybe it's better to fold river ap. I probably end up calling, I'm a pow, but might be better to randomize and only call with KxQh