Hi all,

Thoughts on this?

H: most aggressive by far I think I’m doing a good job putting people in tough spots. Haven’t been caught bluffing yet (been bluffing a lot) mostly winning pots with c bets

V: only other player I respect at the table. I am on his direct left. Very capable off laying down huge hands. He is a pretty good thinking player. Stated he plays 2/5 as well.

Overall this table is EXTREMELY WEAK like very very tight and passive than a normal 1/3 game. No 3 betting. Virtually all limps.

OTTH: I have 77 UTG and make it 12 folds to V in the B.B. and he is the only caller

($25) Flop 34:6:

He checks. We bet $15 and he calls.

($55) turn is a 8

He thinks for a little and checks. We also think about this... but check

Would you guys bet here?

($55) river is a 5 so we have a straight he checks

We try and think of a good bet sizing here. I kinda have a difficult time putting him on a hand I guess he could have over pairs and just flatted my preflop raise since I raised UTG. Could have some random two pairs as well.

I decide to bet $45 thoughts?

I thought about betting bigger as well since I shouldn’t have too many 7s here.

I doubt you can profitably raise 77 UTG long term. If you keep track of your results from every time you raise pairs 9s or lower from EP, I bet youre losing money.

As played, I bet this turn every time. You're not going to get too many better boards for 77. You most likely still ahead and he could have overcards that you dont want to give a free card too. Bet/fold the turn....check back the river if called.

As played, I really doubt hes calling any bet but your $45 is good.

River sizing is good. I often bet $100 here and expect to get looked up by weird shyt that thinks I'm just trying to buy it.

Mike gives some of the best advice on here, so I’m hesitant to disagree, but I think at this table as described you *should* be opening 77 UTG. You have two things going for you that makes it profitable here: You’re not going to get 3bet and you can win even if you don’t flop a set. But at your standard 1-3 table, Mike is probably right.

Mike, do you ever limp 77 at 1-3? Or is this basically just a fold?

As for the turn, I think it’s close. He shouldn’t be floating you very thin on the flop, since you were there UTG raiser. That would suggest he has a hand of some sort. So while your hand is vulnerable to over cards, he shouldn’t have a lot of hands like TJ, KQ, AT, etc here that you need to charge. You also have blockers to his gut shots and blockers to his outs if he’s open ended. With all of that, I kind of like the check.

When he checks the river after calling the flop and checking the turn, I expect him to be check/calling a lot. If he was on air, he should have made a play, so he has some sort of hand. The board didn’t run out particularly scary given your expected holding from UTG. Like you said, you shouldn’t have many 7s here, so to a thinking player an ace or king on the river would be scarier than the four-card straight.

Because of all that, I wouldn’t hate an overbet here on the river. It would look like you’re trying to bluff the “scare” card even though he might know that it shouldn’t have helped you. And he has some sort of hand here. Make him make a hero call.



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All the time

I agree with all of Mikes post. The problem here is by raising pre we chase out a lot of the hands that can give us action when we hit. By raising we are going to be playing this pot oop against a stronger range and few opponents. The hand lands in this weird middle ground where it becomes too weak to value bet when we miss, but too difficult to get solid value from a set.

I typically open limp ep with mid and small pairs. Yes, my range is face up when I do it but as long as it keeps working Im not stopping.

I also like $45 otr. There are times for wild overbets but I usually save those for times our opponent likely hit the board hard and we have him beat.

I frequently would limp this as well but like I said the table was so weak and tight I had no fear of getting 3 bet and felt I could apply pressure if called.

Definitely thought about an overbet here

But if you do get 3 bet preflop its going to be by someone with a big pair and you will have to fold. Those are the same hands you can limp/call against and win huge pots.

I agree with this and will frequently do this

+1

I've disagreed wirh Mike plenty of times in the past, but this is not one of them. 77 is the perfect hand to limp UTG preflop (or fold pre on super aggro tables) and I'm always betting the turn as played. So I agree with this advice 100%.

This makes sense. My initial thought was that — at this particular table — we shouldn’t be playing 77 primarily to set mine. There’s a lot of money in raising, getting two callers, and taking the pot down with a cbet when the board comes, say, Q85.

But there are probably better hands to add to our UTG raising range to take advantage of the table overfolding to cbets. Hands like suited gappers and suited aces will have more equity when our flop cbets are called. I’m on board with limping 77.


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So, you would put in $2 & if raised to $12, everyone folds & it's back to you, you would fold even if the V has $250?

People say 1/2 & 1/3 players are stupid, but if you limp in EP, the only people flatting are others with the same kind of hand or SCs & there's often at least 2 at the table who love to squeeze.

Now I do know a guy, who for that very reason, doesn't play anything smaller than JJ UTG - UTG+3 unless it's a soft table.

Depends on the player. You cant profitably set mine certain players. Other players are like an ATM when you hit a set against them.

I would limp 77 but I don’t think raising is bad at this table if they will fold a ton to c-bets. Even if they call with strong ranges for a 1-3 player, they will still miss the flop a lot. And they probably 3-bet the very top of their range so when they just call they are at a bigger disadvantage. Also, because this is 1-3 they wil still usually call PF with a few weaker hands than they should which makes postflop play more difficult for them.

I’m just not sure I see enough upside to raising though, especially when set mining tends to make things so easy. Plus limping UTG does encourage others to limp and increases the chances of a multiway pot.

77 UTG at this kind of table could be an open, limp, or fold. What are stack sizes behind you and the tendency of those players to be aggressive?

What I’m starting to realize is at these low limit games there is zero balance and you have to play a completely exploitative style of game. If no one is 3 betting I like a raise, if no one is folding you could limp. If you’re short stacked you can fold.

I think this hand was played well. Generally the later in position you get I’d much prefer an open raise with lower pocket pairs.

I don't think you're getting 3 streets of value here with 77 very often unless the straight lands on the river, so I think you need to work a check into here at some point. A lot of players would check their medium strength hands on the flop, but in this case with an UTG raise I think you'll get enough V's not believing that this flop hit your range very well that it's probably better to cbet the flop and then check the turn.

I think you played it well but I agree that I'd bet a bit more on the river. I would have went to like $65, especially after checking the turn. This looks like AK/AQ to a lot of V's and they're going to look you up with any piece of that flop.

Bet bigger on flop, we need to protect our equity, something like 19 that doesnt look too daunting. His call is either 99/TT or just floating, possibly random low pair. Thats a safe turn for you to barrel on. Just jam river, he'll never think you have a 7 so if he was trapping he'll snap you off.

Same can be said for limping it.

Think it is very likely it is less EV limping than raising. As is case in most situations.


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I would bet the turn.

River could even be a thin value bet unimproved if turn goes x/c.

I think limping vs raising 77 UTG being more EV is dependent on the table dynamics. With a table full of , it's probably better as a limp, while with a table of decent players I like raising it and having it somewhat disguised.

*table full of passive fish that don't pay attention to limp ranges