cut off with Q 10 stack size $380 ish

2 limpers. I raise to 15

button calls. SB and BB folds. folded around heads up.

Not many reads on button player: Stack size about 600, Button is a smart player, range generally on the tighter side, slightly aggressive

Flop 10 4 8

I lead for 25. He tank calls.

Turn 3

I check. He bets 40. I put think about the hands he could have, maybe a completed flush, or a draw. I eventually call.

River comes a blank I check he checks.

What hands do you put him on, anything you would've done differently. Don't wanna give any spoilers.

Too wide isoraise pre in my opinion, with a hand that doesent flop particularly well and also holds some serious reverse implied odds.

As played postflop your line is fine. If we didnt have the extra equity with the Q of diamonds (like we do have in this hand), i think the turn would be closer in terms of folding verus calling.

We play in different universes if a $15 raise after 2 limpers sees a Button call and yet doesn't go 4+ ways to the flop. I would just overlimp here but obviously our tables are completely different.

The more ABC the Button is, the more I'm cbetting; I'm cbetting less though, no more than $20 as I'm not looking to build a huge pot here. The trickier / more difficult he is, the more I check (and I'm also getting out of this seat).

I just check/fold the turn. Unless he's just floating us with air to take away the pot on a scare card, there is very few worse hands he could be betting here, plus we risk facing a river bet. Yeah, we have a 5:1 shot on a meh 4-to-a-flush diamond draw, but not really sure that's worth much (and could actually cost us). I don't hate the call, especially if he bets here a lot when checked to.

We got lucky that he checked the river back as he could have made life very difficult for us. Since he checked back he most likely has a showdownable hand that didn't think he could get much value from betting. We beat some of the weak end like 99/JT, lose to some things slightly stronger like AT/KT/JJ, and also the off chance he raps back QQ (you'd think he'd go for more value somewhere with AA/KK). With busted semi-bluff draws you'd think he might go for a river bluff some of the time so probably doesn't show up with those too often. He'd probably be fairly weak to check back anything stronger than one pair once we check the turn/river do I don't expect to see two pear / sets at this point.

GcluelessNLnoobG

I think you played this hand fine. JT, 9T, and straight draws are the only hands that call flop that you're still ahead of. Calling is fine, though, because you're redrawing to the flush. Checking river is best. You're way ahead, way behind here. Nothing worse is calling your bet.

Pre is probably a fold unsuited. Raise can be ok at especially passive/weak tables. Post flop is well played. His range is probably J10+, J9s/97s, and if he’s a bad player, maybe weak flushs or sets.

Overlimp pre.

x/c flop as played.

Rest is good.

Why are we advocating over limping the flop with a non-drawing hand in position? Fold or raise.

We're simply trying to see a cheap multiway flop in position and then go from there postflop. Our position will help us evaluate the action / board to make hopefully profitable plays and extract value / get away from hands postflop.

It's also not a complete non-drawing hand as it can make 3 card straights.

GcluelessoverlimpingnoobG

Kind of a vague question, but to compare limping this hand with medium suited hands: the latter gains a lot of value from semi-bluffing a wide range of boards, which benefits from having fewer opponents and representing strength (or "having initiative" as the LLSNL lingo goes). They also give us coverage on lower and more coordinated boards that our QQ+/AK type hands dislike. Finally, they frequently make medium-strength made hands that benefit from having people checking to you as the preflop aggressor so they can realize their marginal equity.

Mediocre, unsuited broadways hit mainly value hands on a smaller subset of boards, so it benefits from having a lower pot contribution. It doesn't mind as much being lead into because the hands it makes are strong enough to call multiple bets or make multiple bets itself to get to showdown. These hands are entirely redundant with our standard raising range so ends up blowing people out of the water when we hit our broadway boards we're looking for (or we "overrepresent" our hand, as the LLSNL lingo goes), while whiffing everything 9 or lower.