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09-20-2015 , 08:50 AM
Literally first hand hero is dealt. I recognize most faces but two people. On to the hand.

500eff stacks (hero has smallest stack)

Preflop (£4): Hero is MP and limps with 33, CO limps, SB and BB check.

Flop (£12): 366
checks through

Turn (£12) 9 SB, BB check, Hero bets 10, CO calls , SB folds, then BB makes it £32, Hero then makes it £85 and CO snap makes it £240.

I know nothing about him other then the fact that i already saw him around. BB is a good reg with who I played alot hence the raise to balance some of my bluffs in this spot. But CO I have only seen a couple of times around but have no information on him. I dont think he ever has 99 since he will raise it almost always on the BTN. So I think his range is A6, K6, 96, 63(maybe?), and 66(would he reallly SNAP raise so big with that)?

My thought process is I see recreational players check back flopped trips on the flop and freak out on the turn when a backdoor flush appears and overplay their hand so much that I think he has enough A6 and K6 in his range for a shove here. Thoughts?
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09-20-2015 , 09:59 AM
Gotta bet the flop. Your hand is huge you need to build the pot asap.

I'm confused on the turn, dunno what to think. CO line is super strong for sure but we invested so much money into this pot already ...

We needed a plan before raising to 85 imo. What would you have done if BB raised instead of CO ?

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My thought process is I see recreational players check back flopped trips on the flop and freak out on the turn when a backdoor flush appears and overplay their hand so much that I think he has enough A6 and K6 in his range for a shove here. Thoughts?
Problem is CO did flat your 10$ before cold 4betting and the backdoor flush was already there.
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09-20-2015 , 02:23 PM
Not happy, but absent any other information I'm folding. Villain flatted turn and then 4 bet after BB check/raised and you reraised. That is absurdly strong in the paired board, even more so in a limped pot where 96/63 hands are possible. Not giving him credit for anything but a boat/quads without more history.

Yes, villain will turn up with a badly played 6X some of the time but a generic one won't often enough to justify getting all in.
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09-20-2015 , 07:02 PM
Fold.

Once the CO calls your bet, which is either a trapping/weak hand, the BB raises, you reraise THEN CO 4 bets, it narrows it down to he was trapping. I think a 6x would have raised the turn to charge a flush draw, but it appears he wasn't even worried about that, which really narrows down his range
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09-20-2015 , 09:57 PM
I don't really care about the turn.

Your pre flop and flop play is the problem. You need to raise pre, you need to bet flop. Sure there might be some small amount of money in finding the right spot to fold full houses, but you're clearly losing gobs of money with your preflop and flop play.
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09-21-2015 , 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
I don't really care about the turn.

Your pre flop and flop play is the problem. You need to raise pre, you need to bet flop. Sure there might be some small amount of money in finding the right spot to fold full houses, but you're clearly losing gobs of money with your preflop and flop play.
I agree with betting the flop, but why raise pre with 33?
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09-21-2015 , 02:45 PM
I'm cool with preflop. ETA: I'm sure Ike and others can make arguments for raising small pocket pairs preflop in EP - MP; I'm not convinced we're losing gobs of money by open limping, but do agree we're losing gobs by not betting the flop.

Super easy flop bet, where I'd bet full PSB. We get action from 6x, OESD (and maybe even gutshots this deep), overpairs, small pairs on this board, maybe random over cards, and maybe someone just spazzes cuz what idiot would bet a fullhouse, right?

Admittedly very gross turn spot. CO is flatting your turn donk, then sees a check/raise (which is super strong), you reraise that check/raise (super dooper strong), and he says to himself, ya, my hand is good enough to play for $500 stacks in a limped pot. I sigh fold.

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09-21-2015 , 05:16 PM
500 stacks is nominal or 500BB? OK, never mind, I see the title.

What did BB do after CO 4-bet OTT?

I would have flatted the 2-bet OTT. When we 3-bet we're getting super close to pot committed, and it's unclear whether that's +EV. Two people left to act behind us when we reopen.

If you know nothing about CO, he could have 45 off FFS. Hand is misplayed.

Last edited by BadlyBeaten; 09-21-2015 at 05:34 PM.
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