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1/3 folding aces on flop? 1/3 folding aces on flop?

10-30-2015 , 04:29 PM
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Board: QhTc9d
Equity Win Tie
MP2 40.70% 40.23% 0.47% { AA }
MP3 59.30% 58.83% 0.47% { QQ-99, AQs, KJs+, Q9s+, JTs, T9s, AQo, KJo+, QJo }


I have to change my answer to call based on the above findings
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10-30-2015 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BackDoorFlush
Lol at folding.
x2. Never folding an overpair in this spot against a stack of 36bb.
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10-30-2015 , 04:46 PM
I'd like to meet this mythical Asian player who won't GII a sub-35bb stack with worse than 2 pair. I snap it in here.
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10-30-2015 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
I'd like to meet this mythical Asian player who won't GII a sub-35bb stack with worse than 2 pair. I snap it in here.
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10-30-2015 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by KKingDavid
When V is described as passive, why do you want to give him an aggressive range? Just to rationalize calling? That is -EV all day.

Passive V has 2P+ here, always.

Given stack sizes, not opposed to calling for information... being sure V must show first, as long as we acknowledge we are paying for the info and can expect to be able to use it.
I don't know if my observation of this villain would result in me classifying him as passive so I put a range in there that I would be more than happy calling against so OP can make his own decision about it.

Personally I think it is pretty easy to watch a player for a few orbits, see him do nothing but limp/call, call and fold and assume he is passive and never raises unless he has it. It is too small a sample usually and mostly you'll just be shocked at the stuff "passive" guys show down after raising.

Often bad players like to slow play all their good hands and just occasionally bluff raise stuff that makes no sense.

If you tell me that you played hours and hours with a player and you seen him show down top pair, over pairs and big draws played passively and both times he raised and showed down he had 2-pair+ I will consider folding this hand against him. Whilst ever the description focuses mainly on ethnicity, age and dress sense with a vague "seems passive" I'm going to call him down in this spot all day long.
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10-30-2015 , 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by nihcnahtan
Pre ($4)
3 limpers including villain. hero w/ AA raises to $17.
Should we be raising more preflop? Decent amount of money in there from the limpers and we are OOP. Maybe something in 20-22 range?

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10-31-2015 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Ragequit99
I don't know if my observation of this villain would result in me classifying him as passive so I put a range in there that I would be more than happy calling against so OP can make his own decision about it.



Personally I think it is pretty easy to watch a player for a few orbits, see him do nothing but limp/call, call and fold and assume he is passive and never raises unless he has it. It is too small a sample usually and mostly you'll just be shocked at the stuff "passive" guys show down after raising.



Often bad players like to slow play all their good hands and just occasionally bluff raise stuff that makes no sense.



If you tell me that you played hours and hours with a player and you seen him show down top pair, over pairs and big draws played passively and both times he raised and showed down he had 2-pair+ I will consider folding this hand against him. Whilst ever the description focuses mainly on ethnicity, age and dress sense with a vague "seems passive" I'm going to call him down in this spot all day long.

I'm probably calling too.

But if the V "seems passive" (using OP's description), I am going to use a range for a passive player, not a range for an aggressive player, nor a range designed to allow me to call just because I want to call.

Too many posters here are advocating a call based on SPR, then backing into a range that justifies calling. That is backwards thinking.
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10-31-2015 , 03:53 PM
I'm not calling because of ranges or pot odds. I'm calling bc I hazz acezz and it's a low fixed price to get to show down.
Action was raised pre flop, H bet the flop. It's not going to cost much at all to see river, so I'm folding never. I call bc I want to see his hand, so I don't raise. I call expecting he has two pair a decent amount of the time and knowing I'm going to see turn and river and have a chance to counterfeit that holding. And also knowing he could be making this play with a lot of other hands, including naked jacks, a lot of Qx hands and a bunch of other low limit foolishness.

Bigger pre, please. Limpers, OOP, charge these players more to run you down. 17 got it heads up but I'd be inclined to go 20-25 depending on table dynamic.

If we get cracked here, it costs us 55bb. And this player will clearly give some of that glitter back quickly.
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11-02-2015 , 02:49 PM
Again, I'd raise a smidge more preflop but $17 with a $200 stack isn't horrible, especially since it is narrowing the field to HU and we can still feel comfortable stacking off postflop.

The SPR is ~2.5 and board is drawy. We're 100% committed. I'd probably pot the flop to shove the turn. I'm beating him into the pot with the shove. If he put in 15% of his stack preflop (lol) and outflopped us, nice hand sir.

TBH, the hands you've posted so far play themselves. You've setup HU SPRs <= 4 in each case and have TP+; on drawy boards just PSB the flop and then shove the turn and never fold. Poker is extremely easy to play at these stack levels.

ETA: Dude is having fun and has less than $100 left in a 1/3 game. His stack is going in *extremely* light here, definitely any pair / any draw light, but you could also argue ATC light in my game. Way too much overthinking itt, imo.

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11-02-2015 , 03:53 PM
Results?
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11-02-2015 , 06:44 PM
I would probably call unless you have some read indicating 2 pair or better. I would expect villain to have QJ a lot here.
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