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1/3: Flushdraw + Gutshot combined draw multiway 1/3: Flushdraw + Gutshot combined draw multiway

08-26-2019 , 02:32 AM
1/3, weekend, 9-handed. Mix of a couple of TAGs and loose-passive fish.


Villain A ($300) opens to $15 UTG.
Villain B (65yo Asian male, 20/10, $300) calls UTG+1.
Villain C (75yo white male, $300) calls UTG+2.
Villain D (20yo Asian male, unknown, $260) calls in MP.
Villain E (50yo white male, 40/10, $600) calls on button.
Hero ($400) calls with QJ-dd in the big blind.

Flop ($91): A-10-5dd

Checked to VillainD, who bets $50
Villain E calls

Should Hero (1) fold (2) call (3) raise (4) go all-in?
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08-26-2019 , 03:12 AM
Is the ace a diamond ? If so this is a clear call
I don’t really like raising here multi-way your villains are far to strong in their range to fold.
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08-26-2019 , 03:27 AM
The suite of the ace and ten is really important here if you want an honest discussion. That is a really bad board for most of those callers unless someone has exactly AT TT or 55, you also have key combo draw blockers and the original raiser has told you hes missed unless he decided to slowplay AA/TT on this board which would be "monsters in the closet" syndrome anyway and you still wouldnt be a massive dog against those.

Is this a good spot to raise? Is the A on the board? If the answer is yes I say you can go for it but you're going to have to shove the turn if called.

Last edited by AAJTo; 08-26-2019 at 03:33 AM.
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08-26-2019 , 03:41 AM
I'm definitely not folding here, given the strength of our draw and a 1/2 pot bet.

Whether I raise depends on the suit of the diamond. If the Ad is on the board, I'm raising/GII as our equity will be very strong against almost any holding.

If the Ad is *not* on the board, I lean towards calling this flop bet and evaluating how the action unfolds.
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08-26-2019 , 04:58 AM
If A1/3: Flushdraw + Gutshot combined draw multiway is on flop then villain cant have TP+NFD and I would raise to 125ish and call it off. Jam every turn that doesnt pair board.

If the A is a non-diamond then raising here would be lighting money on fire considering theres 17 players in this hand ( obviously a joke 1/3: Flushdraw + Gutshot combined draw multiway) and I would just flat but be very cautious as you could easily be over flushed.

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08-26-2019 , 06:34 AM
The A-d was on the flop.

However, in the actual and I called, because I believed I was getting express odds to draw. Villain B also called.
The turn was the 6-d, completing my flush. Villain D shoved, I called, and Villain B folds, exposing his made small flush with 43dd. I lose to Villain D's K-10dd.

I also believe that I am on some degree of "passive tilt" having lost 9 buyins in August losing just about every hand where I got it in ahead.
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08-26-2019 , 12:15 PM
I used to think preflop was an autocall. I'm just not as convinced anymore. The SPR will be lol ~3ish against most, so drawing hands will often not be getting very good IO postflop. Plus we'll be OOP (harder to play and perhaps get paid off). And meanwhile we'll rarely have the nut draw, and the more our opponents don't get in money postflop with lol hands the more risk we have of RIO. I now think a hand like 87s here is an auto-fold, whereas a hand like Axs is an auto-call, but this hand is somewhere in the middle. IMO, but I'm a tight nit getting nittier as every day goes by.

Think we could either open jam the flop (flex our FE with our hand equity) or check/jam the flop. Trivial shove for me as played (and feeling very fistpumpy about it, especially given weakish LP sizing and passive call plus this board has so few made monsters given preflop action).

GcluelessNLnoobG
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08-26-2019 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
I used to think preflop was an autocall. I'm just not as convinced anymore. The SPR will be lol ~3ish against most, so drawing hands will often not be getting very good IO postflop. Plus we'll be OOP (harder to play and perhaps get paid off). And meanwhile we'll rarely have the nut draw, and the more our opponents don't get in money postflop with lol hands the more risk we have of RIO. I now think a hand like 87s here is an auto-fold, whereas a hand like Axs is an auto-call, but this hand is somewhere in the middle. IMO, but I'm a tight nit getting nittier as every day goes by.

Think we could either open jam the flop (flex our FE with our hand equity) or check/jam the flop. Trivial shove for me as played (and feeling very fistpumpy about it, especially given weakish LP sizing and passive call plus this board has so few made monsters given preflop action).

GcluelessNLnoobG
Hero is in the BB first to act postflop and you're going to consider open-jamming this flop into the world in a raised pot? Good, bad or indifferent, this is not the action of a nit!

I could get behind a xr jam with loose Villains on this flop though, as you've suggested.

I agree also that QJs oop in a raised pot is problematic at shallow depths. Another starting hand best left to experts from the blinds......
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08-26-2019 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Spanishmoon
Hero is in the BB first to act postflop and you're going to consider open-jamming this flop into the world in a raised pot?
Smallest SPR is 2.7; I would probably prefer an open jam at that depth (though don't think a check/jam is bad either).

Biggest SPR is 4.2; I would probably prefer a check/jam at that depth.

Attempting to get in all the monies on the flop either way.

Gbigpot+hugedeadmoney+FE+handequity=getitinASAP,im oG
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