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1/3: Flopped Set, Multi way, Optimal Line? 1/3: Flopped Set, Multi way, Optimal Line?

12-04-2018 , 05:46 PM
Hero ($360)- 30's WM, Image is solid, but recently lost big "cooler" type hand, one of few players opening
V1 ($550)- 40's WM, Seems ok, not loose but can be sticky
V2 ($250)- 20's, probably a losing reg. Calls too many flops,etc
V3 ($250)- Old guy-very gambly. Will call most preflops raises, not good

Preflop:
2 limps to Hero
Hero (HJ) raises to $16 with 1010
V1 (BB) calls
V2 (UTG) calls
V3 (UTG+1) calls

Flop ($60): 6Q10
All check to Hero
Hero bets $40
All players calls

Turn ($180): 6Q105
V1 checks
V2 Bets $65
V3 Folds
Hero?
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12-04-2018 , 06:00 PM
Turn pot is $200.

He just put in another $65.

Just ship and charge draws max.
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12-04-2018 , 06:02 PM
Pot now has $245 and V2 has around $130 behind.

If you raise and V2 is as bad as he seems, he should call off his remaining $130 to win $310. You want him to call off with all of his holdings on the Turn, including all draws.

If you flat to induce V1 into the pot, you may (or may not) win a similar amount on the river if it bricks, assuming V1/V2 will bluff at the pot. On the other hand, you stand to lose much much more if it completes a draw for V1 or V2 and you can't get away from it.

I think raising all-in to $304 is correct here.
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12-04-2018 , 06:10 PM
Easy jam.

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12-04-2018 , 06:19 PM
The SPR is almost 6 against the ~ok guy and about 4 against the losing guys. Flop is pretty wet. No one calls a $40 bet into $60 on this board but not $60. So, with that in mind, I'd go $60 to shove a PSB on the turn (or maybe even slightly more on the flop as we'll sometimes get called by the deeper stack where we can then shove the turn).

I dislike our smaller 2/3 PSB on the flop as I believe we're missing immediate value plus sets up awkward stack sizes on the turn if only called in one spot.

Lol @ all calling the flop, good game.

On the turn with the donk the pot is now $245 and V2 only has $130 left, so I just shove. Just calling the 1/3 PSB bet and laying 5:1 to V1 on this board is too risky for my liking, but I'm conservative like that.

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12-04-2018 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by canadiasian
Pot now has $245 and V2 has around $130 behind.

If you raise and V2 is as bad as he seems, he should call off his remaining $130 to win $310. You want him to call off with all of his holdings on the Turn, including all draws.

If you flat to induce V1 into the pot, you may (or may not) win a similar amount on the river if it bricks, assuming V1/V2 will bluff at the pot. On the other hand, you stand to lose much much more if it completes a draw for V1 or V2 and you can't get away from it.

I think raising all-in to $304 is correct here.
This was my decision, how do I get V1 to commit more $$..Do I flat to try to get V1 to stay around because I cant really raise and have him call since it leaves me with such a weird size on river. He probably calls $65 with one pair and draws. If I shove hes not calling with one pair, maybe he calls draws since he will assume V2 is also calling for remaining stack.
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12-04-2018 , 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by BruceGT
This was my decision, how do I get V1 to commit more $$..Do I flat to try to get V1 to stay around because I cant really raise and have him call since it leaves me with such a weird size on river. He probably calls $65 with one pair and draws. If I shove hes not calling with one pair, maybe he calls draws since he will assume V2 is also calling for remaining stack.
The assumption with the Turn raise is that V2 will call off his remaining $130.

So the scenarios are:
1. Scenario 1: Go all-in, V1 folds, V2 folds, you win $65 on the Turn. Low risk, low reward.
2. Scenario 2: Go all-in, V1 folds, V2 calls for $130 more. You win $130 if your hand holds up. Low risk, high reward.
3. Scenario 3: Call and let V1 in for $65. If river is blank, you may or may not get additional $ (villains need to bluff). If river fills up V1, you lose money. High risk, low reward.

For Scenario 3 to be more profitable than Scenario 2, you need the river to brick, AND for the villains to bluff enough to pay you >$130.

How likely is this going to happen given the remaining stack sizes?
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12-05-2018 , 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by canadiasian
The assumption with the Turn raise is that V2 will call off his remaining $130.

So the scenarios are:
1. Scenario 1: Go all-in, V1 folds, V2 folds, you win $65 on the Turn. Low risk, low reward.
2. Scenario 2: Go all-in, V1 folds, V2 calls for $130 more. You win $130 if your hand holds up. Low risk, high reward.
3. Scenario 3: Call and let V1 in for $65. If river is blank, you may or may not get additional $ (villains need to bluff). If river fills up V1, you lose money. High risk, low reward.

For Scenario 3 to be more profitable than Scenario 2, you need the river to brick, AND for the villains to bluff enough to pay you >$130.

How likely is this going to happen given the remaining stack sizes?
Well I dont have numbers but I dont know if I would call any of them High Risk. I understand what you are saying but even with 3 to river, Im still the favorite Especially since turn didn't improve draws that much, they might have each others outs.
V2 lead out was weird to me, why not just do it on the flop? Is he just trying to control the pot now? Maybe a random 2 pair? He didnt leave alot behind,,


Back to the hand, I thought about flatting to keep V1 around but then decided if I shove V2 is calling so maybe V1 would come along since he knows V2 would come along also.

Hero shoves
V1 folds
V2 tanks and FOLDS
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12-05-2018 , 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by mikko
Turn pot is $200.

He just put in another $65.

Just ship and charge draws max.
Turn pot actually should be $220. Then when villain bet $65 its up to $285.

Shove the turn.
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12-05-2018 , 09:33 AM
if we covered villian i might be tempted to make it like 180 and let him draw. but with the size of our stack we just have to stick it in.
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12-05-2018 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Turn pot actually should be $220. Then when villain bet $65 its up to $285.

Shove the turn.
Yep, and anything but shove is pure spew
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