Hey guys pretty frustrating night last night, just showing up with second best hands all night and became slightly tilted. Got flush over flushed twice (were reasonably standard coolers, will disclose the hands of anyone wants to know, but would prefer not to complain about relatively standard coolers).

Then there's this hand where I'd like some feedback. I'm a pretty tight aggressive player and a bit of a calling station to my detriment. My image is probably bad given the above and maybe a bit tilty.

So I open TT to 15 in the co.
Button calls, blinds fold. Button has about 120 from memory and I have him covered.
Havent really played with villain before. He has hit a lot of hands and is running pretty well. Not much information on whether he bluffs much.

Flop (30). Comes 9 3 6 rainbow.

I bet 15, hoping to get value from 9x, 6x, 77, 88, overcards, etc.
He calls.

The turn (60) is an offsuit J.

I check, he ships it for about 90. I ???

I'm not sure whether my reasoning is over thinking 1/3. This is obviously an incredibly exploitable spot, if I am folding my 9x and TT here, villain is just printing money in this spot with his bluffs. Also TT is probably the best hand I have in this spot, aside from JJ that I might check sometimes. Maybe I could check AA on the turn sometimes too to protect my checking range a little?

I guess I am wondering what others thought processes are in these spots at 1/3. Against an unknown villain are you calling? Should I be thinking at this level? I know at least that there are a portion of players at these levels who are thinking at this level and constructing ranges with a little bit of balance can pay off against them.

A good rule of thumb is, if someone overbets and you can't beat TPGK and you don't have a nutty draw, you can just fold pending reads. Whether or not it makes sense right there and then, you don't have the range to beat this jam.

Welcome, OP. Please don't include results, as it biases responses. I edited your post and won't respond in detail since I've seen results.

I will say in general though that I assume most Vs are loose-passive at 1/3 and below until proven otherwise. The general population's leak is to call to much, not to bet too much. If they are overbetting, I tend to believe them, unless I've got a strong read of splashiness.

This is a fold IMO. You need 37% equity to call here. You are behind pretty much all of his value range (maybe a spazzy A9s here?) And there are so few semi bluffs here. Against JJ, TT, 99, 66, 33, A9s, J9s, 87s, 54s you are still only 40% and that's pretty generous of a random player at these stakes.

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At this level players aren’t thinking about over bet bluffing. They are thinking of betting with a strong range for max value. This is any easy fold. Once in a while you’ll find an opponent to mix it up and bluff here. But, your better off folding in these spots unless you spot a reliable tell.

Flush over flush hands may be less coolerish than you think, without knowing how they went down it's tough to tell.

In this hand we got in a huge ~13% of our stack preflop and setup a trivial SPR of 3.5 where we should mostly just always get in our stack (I'd mostly attempt to get it in by the turn with 2 PSBs, but on a board this drawless you could argue for 3 streets).

If I'm checking the turn it's too induce, and I snap call.

ETA: Looks like I'm outvoted, but I just don't think we should be putting in such a huge percentage of our stack to fold as we'll be good often against busted stuff like 78 or overvalued stuff like 88 once we check. And while it is a 1.5 PSB, it's only $90 which can go in pretty easily in most 1/3 NL games I play (I mean, it's not like it's a $600 bet into $400 which would be completely different).

GcluelessNLnoobG

Hey man thanks for the response, yeah after thinking over this session for the past week, I think one of the flush over flushes was a cooler and the other one was just loose play due to mental game issues in the session.

The first one that titled me was this:

Hero sb(300)

Utg blind raise to 9, mp call(150), button call (300), I 3bet to 45 with KcQc in the sb.

(obviously never too great to be oop with a marginal hand like this, but I don't think villains' ranges are strong)

Mp calls (loose passive, not a very strong player)

Flop (110) JcTc4c
I bet 60, he jams for about 100 more, I snap, he shows Ac3c.
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Then the second flush over flush (can't remember the exact details but went something like this) consisted of me making a relatively loose preflop call with Qh9h on the button vs an UTG open and 2 calls from MP, when there were a bunch of short stacks in the hand. Hand goes four ways with 75 on the flop.

Flop comes Kd3h4h, there is a jam and a call, and I am left to close the action with a Qhigh flush draw having to call 80ish to win about 320. So I made the call.

I thought I'd have the 25% equity I needed, but we run into AhJh. Bad play on my part.

(Obviously if we are up against sets, overpairs, and better flush draws this is probably a bad call, I struggle with multiway pots, need to put in more work)

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Anyway, yeah that's what I thought with this hand, If I bet flop, villain can float quite easily, and then just jam on the overcard when checked to with a variety of holdings.

I later learned that this specific opponent is super value heavy and loves to flat with big hands and check back flops with strong holdings and his range has very few bluff to value combos.

He flatted KK on the button vs my CO open, which cudos to him is a good play against myself, because against unknown villains at 1/3 who's 3 betting ranges are usually QQ+ and occasionally AK I am not giving him action with TT.

I've been getting flatted a lot recently with big hands, when I open my marginal hands from late position, so I probably need to be more alert of what people's actual ranges are at 1/3. I think flatting can be good at spots at these levels, especially against opponents who will play conservatively and fold to 3 bets, but obviously you want to avoid a lot of people calling behind you preflop.

Sorry about the long response

This hand is a snap call. TT is way under-repped by the turn check.

I probably would have just kept betting the turn myself. This is not that bad of a turn card as these players don't float with overcards very often.

I think the KQcc hand is fine (I'm currently fence-sitting on preflop, but this is how I would mostly play it too).

The Q9hh is probably too loose (and illustrates the danger of playing hands like this in multiway raised pot).

Yeah, just be aware that people flat huge hands all the time. In this case here, you had overpair vs overpair for $120 in an SPR 3.5 pot having gotten in 13% of stacks preflop, so the poker gods are mostly just hating on you this hand.

GcluelessNLnoobG

This feels discordant. How much of a run could he be on if he is starting the hand with 40bb?



With effective stacks this low, I think betting the pot (which may get overcards to fold) and trying to GII on any non-A turn is the way to go, especially given all of the overcards which could fall and screw up the hand.


I'm not really sure what to do here, since we're in a pretty bad spot. Both folding and calling seem like different shades of "meh."

^^ taking stack sizes into account leans towards a PSB on the flop, makes turn very different and IMO much easier. Would be check/calling $75 into $90.

That's actually quite helpful, didnt really think about how stack sizes played, just bet 1/2 pot on flip without thinking lol.