V1: very aggressive player, he's been more lucky than good in the two sessions we have played. Definitely has trouble getting away from over pairs.

V2: only about 20 hands into this session, he seems like a passive fish

Hero: Villain if he has been paying attention probably has pegged as weak tight based on our history in the previous session we played. I haven't shown a hand down yet, but I've taken 2 big pots with large turn bets, so maybe his impression has changed if he was even paying attention.

Stacks:

V1:225
V2:325
Hero: 425

Folded to MP1 who limps, V2 in the HJ limps, Hero limps with J9o, V1 on the BTN raises to 10, SB & BB fold and everybody calls.

Flop($44) Q T 8

MP1 Checks, V2 leads for $25, Hero calls

I call totally expecting V1 to raise here and set me up for a shove. V2 is passive his range is primarily top pair or two pair maybe. He would more than likely c/c draws rather than lead.

To my surprise V1 over calls. MP1 folds

Turn: ($119) 3

V2 checks, Hero bets $100...

I'm thinking $100 gets the job done here. V1 may call and chase incorrectly or shove if he is slow playing a set. Which would set me up for an over shove if V2 comes along.

Too much?

I also typically overlimp preflop. I'd probably also sigh call the raise; I'm not happy about it, but we're going 4ways and $10 is just too cheap a price not to see a flop here closing the action, imo.

I'd raise the flop. There are a crapload of scare cards that could shut down action on the turn (any spade, any J/9, maybe even some board pairing cards, maybe some overcards). I want to get some serious money in before the cooler card comes, plus make it really easy to play for stacks (our goal). I'd probably go $110ish; it offers poorish odds while enabling us to play for stacks on the turn (we can easily push $205 into $265). I couldn't care less about trying to trap button behind us, he only did a stupid $10 juicer raise anyways, it's unlikely he goes nuts on the flop.

As played, I'm fine with turn bet, although there is probably no difference in the amount of times they call a large $100 vs a PSB of $120. But whatever.

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agree with everything GG said, definitely raising otf. also dislike it but guess you have to call pre.

I can't get away pre against this guy when i close the action. I didn't mention it, but MP1 is super passive. So i have aggressive guy and 2 fish.

I should have bet the flop, but I was almost certain V1 was going to do it for me. I guess he was as surprised as I was that V2 lead out.

Results:

Both players fold and I take the pot. V2 said he had a spade draw, but I still don't buy it, if thats true thats the only draw he played aggressively the entire session. V1 put me on a set, not a bad read since that is certainly in my range here. He showed a Q when he folded, so i guess he can get away from top pair

Going back to what gg said, playing your hands faster on the flop will tend to convince your V1 fish that your range is weaker (not sets) while also building the pot. I would do this as a rule and not get discouraged when V1 manages to have the small portion of his range which allows him to fold in these situations.

Also... V1, which set do we have that limp called a $10 bet QQ, TT, or 88??? 3s are non existent generally, and made even less likely because I assume we muck any pair of 3s as a rule otf, and esspecially when we do not have the 3 of spades... great read

good point, i didn't even think of that, at that point im just stacking chips wondering if i bet too much , not really evaluating what he put me on.

Sets can't be in my range here, QQ, TT & 88 are all pf raises and if i limped/ overcalled w/33, i'm not calling the flop bet from v2. good catch

I'd just raise pre to iso the fish, but if your concern is that BTN is so aggro that he'll 3ball you often then just fold before he gets the chance. Overlimping with this mediocre hand doesn't seem great when there's a strong chance that a player with position on you will raise - again, it's hard for me to say because I don't know exactly how aggro BTN is. Expounding on this theme, while a flop raise is standard and I'd do it against 90% of villains, if he's such an aggro monkey that he's almost certainly going to raise and will almost never flat, then I actually don't mind your flop flat with the intention of making a weird backraise that hopefully traps more of MP's money in the pot. Turn sizing isn't bad but you can go a little smaller and still have an easy river shove; I think 80 or 90 would be fine.