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Originally Posted by momo_uk
A hand that can call $60 OTT is probably raising a smaller bet OTT anyway, right? Something like 2p. However, the worse parts of the range like flopped TP are definitely folding turn to a $60 bet but definitely calling a smaller sizing. Fishy logic?
I don't think it's fishy at all. But I do think we're better off not counting on V to do the heavy lifting for us. 2P+ probably will raise, but they might not. (I've heard that sometimes LLSNL V's don't make the right play.) Hands like 88 - TT might well call again, but won't bet. Similarly 86, 98, and A4 are all candidates for a call but not necessarily a bet -- and we very much don't want to give 86 or 98 a free card; having them fold is better than getting a free shot to beat us for a big pot.
Mostly, I like to bet out hands when I want a big pot because LLSNL V's generally make calling errors rather than folding errors or betting/raising errors. We're more likely to exploit their natural mistakes by betting with value hands than we are by checking with them. (If we had reads that a V was aggro -- especially the one immediately after us -- we might well check it.)
I generally am looking for a specific, articulable reason to slow play before I don't bet out. In some cases, I think this is actually quite deceptive, since LLSNL V's tend to expect slow playing with the nuts.
As a side note, I don't think the J was a horrible card. Any 4, 6, 3, 5, or 7 is worse IMO. On your good days, someone called with two overs including a J or something like J7s and they're not all set to lose a chunk of their stack. If someone does have 2P or a set, the J won't scare them at all, nor put them ahead of you.
