$1/$3 NLHE
UTG [Loose, Active, Fit or Fold Post] ($300) Raises to $15
UTG+1 [Loose, Active, Passive] ($100) Calls $15
MP3 [Older gent, tight] ($200) Calls $15
Hero ($300) Calls $15 with Jc 9c
BTN [Older gent, extremely tight] ($240) tanks and calls $15

Pot is $75
Flop is Ac Tc Jh.
c/c/c
Checked to hero, hero bets $35 into $75
Button moves all in for $205

Folds back to hero, hero is looking at calling an additional $170 into $315.

History: We've been chatting quite a bit, button is a retired gent who is avoiding spots. Since we've been friendly, he's been showing me everytime he has bet into me or raised me. I've taken a hands off him, but we're break even with each other over the session. He is here to have a good time and seems to be soft playing me.

In a vacuum, it seems in order for me to call here I need about 35% equity. I spent quite a bit of time tanking this spot. I couldn't put him on AA, as he definitely would have 3bet preflop. I've seen him flat JJ preflop so I'm putting JJ-TT in his flat range as well as KQ, AJ-AT. If he shoves all of these hands here, from what I can tell this is a thin call at about 36% equity. What I'm curious about is if I can consider AT\AJ in his range here. If I remove those combos, I still have 34% equity.

Hand folded around to me. After I spent a significant amount of time tanking the hand I folded and he showed my KQo with no club. Without being results oriented, I wanted to evaluate my line. At the time, I thought against AJ, TT, JJ and KQ my equity was much less than 35% so I folded. I clearly need to spend more time on my math.

I don't think preflop is very interesting, but post flop is my biggest question. Given I'm happier with a fold than a call on this board, I think the first glaring mistake was only betting $35 into $75. No matter what I bet, should the short stack shove or call the rest gets in by turn. Had I bet closer to pot, I would avoided this situation and it would of been an instant call regardless of who shoves.

Is checking this flop to the button terrible? Reflecting, I hate that I bet so little and I hate even more that I folded.

Pre is kinda close honestly.

I think flop should have been a bit more with your hand (although.. checking is somewhat reasonable). If one bets here, they shouldn't fold (unless the 300 guy shoves)

As played, you need 35.05% equity to Breakeven, you're getting 37.23% vs a range of 2pair/sets/straights (and 39.39% versus his exact hand).


I think this is one of those marginal spots that could have been entirely avoided.

I think a lot of posters are going to say fold pre, but I think it's fine. I would have check/called the flop (based on what other players did and size). The bet is not a bad idea, but this is a scary flop and if called/raised, you are done unless you bink a club, which still could be behind, but I highly doubt it. The bet size on flop, if you do bet, could be a little higher, but same results. If I had bet, it would have been $40 - $45, so not much different. Obviously fold is correct to all-in.

As I have shown, fold is not correct to an all-in (unless the guy with 300 shoved).

Fold pre.

As played, I would have c/c the flop unless you're 100% sure that you're going to gii if you're raised. The flop smashes four Vs range. Someone got a good piece of the flop.

Appreciate the feedback. The more I think about the hand, I feel as if I should have checked the flop and proceeded accordingly. As played, I should have called.

I'm hard pressed to believe in position calling here is always a fold, but I'm happy to hear justification..

It's not always a fold, especially against the villains you described because you can outplay them post (I assume). I just didn't like the lead on the flop. According to the_helper, the math is close, but I like the fold. If I had the nut flush draw and/or a redraw, I'd call.

I would probably fold preflop, but it might be close.

Typically a pair + flush draw is a nuttish hand and we can fastplay it for FE / stacks on the flop. However, this board smashes a lot of coldcalling hands that could often mean we are only relying on our flush draw. The one good thing is that the raiser and first two coldcallers checked a very drawy board, so I guess it's unlikely they have these monsters. But the tight guy is still to act behind us, and this flop is certainly in his wheelhouse (AJ/AT/KQ/JJ/TT/JT all have us in bad shape). Flop isn't straightforward, imo.

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