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Old 08-31-2019, 11:40 AM   #1
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1/3 first hand UTG KK

Hi all,

V: played with him a little bit before. Honestly heís a bit who spazzes SOMETIMES he has 250

H I cover. Young guy he prob thinks Iím v tight

OTTH.

VERY first hand I raise to 15 UTG with KK

HE 3! To 41 UTG+2

Folds to me. I call. I think if I jam he folds QQ

THOUGHTS?

Flop 923r

He bets 110 lol I jam he thinks for 2seconds and calls

Thoughts on the hand? Thoughts on his flop sizing? Do we win or lose most often
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Old 08-31-2019, 11:46 AM   #2
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Re: 1/3 first hand UTG KK

What are stack sizes? I 4bet to $150 preflop.
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Old 08-31-2019, 11:55 AM   #3
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What are stack sizes? I 4bet to $150 preflop.
He has 250 to start
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Old 08-31-2019, 12:20 PM   #4
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Re: 1/3 first hand UTG KK

I like your pre-flop line against described V who can spazz, as it keep his air/bluffs in, TT and JJ he could fold to a 4b. Better yet, you're in position too.

Post seems standard and I guess we're ahead of 6 QQ, 6 JJ and maybe 6 TT and behind 6 AA and 3 99. So I guess we're 1-2 favorites. Is this a trick question ?
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Old 08-31-2019, 12:27 PM   #5
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Re: 1/3 first hand UTG KK

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I like your pre-flop line against described V who can spazz, as it keep his air/bluffs in, TT and JJ he could fold to a 4b. Better yet, you're in position too.

Post seems standard and I guess we're ahead of 6 QQ, 6 JJ and maybe 6 TT and behind 6 AA and 3 99. So I guess we're 1-2 favorites. Is this a trick question ?
Do you and the OP know something the rest of us don’t?

Like how does UTG+2 acts before UTG on the flop?
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Old 08-31-2019, 01:00 PM   #6
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Do you and the OP know something the rest of us donít?

Like how does UTG+2 acts before UTG on the flop?
Ugh, right. That's why I thought we were in position. Sorry. I should have read it more carefully. I knew there was a trick in here somewhere .

Maybe Richard can explain why he checked instead of donking. The checkraise-jam changes the whole dynamic of the analysis.

I'm going to blame Richard for this lol.
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Old 08-31-2019, 01:18 PM   #7
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Re: 1/3 first hand UTG KK

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Hi all,



V: played with him a little bit before. Honestly heís a bit who spazzes SOMETIMES he has 250



H I cover. Young guy he prob thinks Iím v tight



OTTH.



VERY first hand I raise to 15 UTG with KK



HE 3! To 41 UTG+2



Folds to me. I call. I think if I jam he folds QQ



THOUGHTS?



Flop 923r



He bets 110 lol I jam he thinks for 2seconds and calls



Thoughts on the hand? Thoughts on his flop sizing? Do we win or lose most often


We can probably just flat our entire range here as 4betting will leave us severely un balanced if we were to re raise $100 would be optimal sizing. As played flop is pretty standard, his bet size however is ******ed. We obviously win way more often than we loose we should have around 70% equity vs his range on this flop.


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Old 08-31-2019, 02:06 PM   #8
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Re: 1/3 first hand UTG KK

$100 is good 4bet sizing with these stack depths.
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Old 08-31-2019, 03:06 PM   #9
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Probably don't 4! here. I'd way rather give a "Fk it its my first hand! allin!" speech rather than 4!. As played, looks fine.
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Old 08-31-2019, 08:29 PM   #10
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I ship pre but hand is fine AP.
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Old 08-31-2019, 08:54 PM   #11
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Probably don't 4! here. I'd way rather give a "Fk it its my first hand! allin!" speech rather than 4!.
Just to tell the V you have AA/KK?

This seems fine. Personally, I just 4b/GII but if he thinks you're tight this is probably the best line against his range.

Sorry if you somehow lost. You should definitely be winning the majority of the time here, since I'd expect him to stack off with AA/KK/QQ and some JJ.
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Old 09-03-2019, 11:39 AM   #12
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Re: 1/3 first hand UTG KK

I limp to reraise but that's me.

I'm either/or regarding flatting or reraising the 3bet. Reraising targets AK which can't fold and we get money in against it now (instead of allowing it to fold whiffed flops). But flatting does allow weaker pairs to see a flop (although some of those flops will contain an overcard and be action killers). Plus we see enough Ax flops to kinda hate life. Think I would lean to a jam preflop against someone who can sometimes spazz.

I'm fine with flop play.

Overall, this is probably just a cooler hand. We likely win more than we lose since less combos of likely winning hands (AA/99) than likely losing hands (QQ/JJ/TT/AK), although that range of losing hands may be a bit too wide depending on what he thinks we're raising UTG with and yet decides to 3bet anyways (i.e. against a tight UTG opener, you'll find a bunch of players just flatting QQ).

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Old 09-03-2019, 11:44 AM   #13
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Re: 1/3 first hand UTG KK

Hand is played fine.
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Old 09-03-2019, 01:13 PM   #14
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Maybe Richard can explain why he checked instead of donking.
Because checking is of course superstandard. What do you mean, why should someone explain he wasn't donking?

Anyway, OTTH...

I don't mind calling pre sometimes, but I don't think this should be standard. if you think his 3bet range in this spot is wider than AA/KK and will include at least QQ(/JJ) and AK, then it would be awesome if he folds all those hands if you shove AK here. If people think your 4bets are always AA/KK face-up, then you don't exploit this by flatcalling AA/KK out of position... No, you widen your 4bet range and maniacally laugh in their faces when they openfold AK, because you gots to have aces! Well, maybe not that last part...

Obviously you can't start shoving AK and still flat AA/KK, so just shove those too as a rule. I say shove, because any other sizing would make no sense to me here. You opened far too big imo, his 3bet isn't even that big, but it's still big enough to at least make it seem we're committed with all of our 4bets anyway, even if we make it 2.5x (which I'm not a fan of out of position), so just shove for 100-125bb. If we 4bet wider than just AA/KK here, shoving makes more sense anyway, because I really don't want to play a flop with like an 0.7 SPR with AK against some random live player who decided to call 110 and see a flop, because hey why not.

Mind you, in my own experience 3bet ranges actually tighten way the hell up if someone (especially someone who's very tight) raises 7.5x from UTG, so in this case I would not be so sure he's actually 3betting AK and JJ and the likes, let alone spazzing.

So, to sum it up, in this case I think flatting pre is fine, but I think you could benefit a lot by opening up your 4bet range if they're all autofolding AK and QQ/JJ.
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Old 09-03-2019, 03:25 PM   #15
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Re: 1/3 first hand UTG KK

Against solid regs a wider 4b range and balance is good but first hand at table against a spaz I like your line wp.
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