1/3 Live 10-Handed (No Rake, Time Charge)

BTN straddles. He said he’s played one million hands online and he seems to be a good thinking player. He’s more LAG than TAG but not too loose preflop.

The rest of the table is mostly typical loose passives.

The effective stack is $275.

Six people limp including both blinds.

I’m in the CO with 7s 7c. I limp.

BTN checks.

Flop ($48): 4h 2s 4s

Everyone checks to me.

Your play?

$45.

I would personally probably go a little smaller than Koss. Maybe 38/40 but be prepared to fold against almost any resistance on the flop, especially against players who still have people behind them left to act.

30 to 35

I think I would raise this hand pf , there is a lot of value in gaining the button, loose passive ranges are suuuuper wide so I like to punish here

having said that there are a bunch of limpers in front of you so maybe this hand is close to the border, 99+/AT+ are easy raises here

I would bet really small here on the flop bc of how many players are in the hand, prob 25 ; I don't mind the idea of a check here either, so many players in the hand and our bet would accomplish what exactly? deny equity to FD's , and get value from [55,66]

I'd bet 25 here most likely but I think x'ing is ok 7 way here

b/f $25. Calling ranges here should be pretty bet-size inelastic. I could even go down to $20 if not for BTN V.

Easy bet for protection. Get called by all flush and straight draws, both of which are viable for multiple V's. Will hopefully gain position on future streets and be able to pot control and evaluate from there. Also like $25-30.

As I said in previous thread, I'm pretty sure we're sitting in the worst seat at the table.

I also overlimp preflop.

I probably bet like no more than a 1/2 PSB on the flop (like $20) and go from there.

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$30-35. Do not really want to get raised here.

$30. Would start iso’ing with 88, 77 is fine either way but mostly like limping

What are the chances of actually isolating after 6 limpers?

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^We will go 8 handed to a flop if we limp, raising and going to a flop against "only" 4 players is a massive equity win on our part. Fwiw GG, if you are still playing at 67bb's this is a massively +EV preflop shove in your shoes. It probably still is a +EV shove for OP at 90bb and shoving might be >setmining for both of you, depending on how passive people are post. In my games, with typically deeper stackdepths this is a clear raise imo, but obviously YMMV.

Flop seems like a clear downbet/fold spot, and i'm checking back a lot of turns.

I would love to hear what EXACTLY IT IS
we're protecting

Having an equity edge preflop (if we even have much of one against typical callers) for a very small percentage of our stack isn't that big of a deal.

Shoving preflop seems like the opposite of a massively +EV spot; it seems like massive spew. We will take down the small pot a crapload of times preflop, but doubt it will remotely start making up for the times we run into 88+ that ain't folding.

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If we are gonna raise, it's gonna be for a significant % of our stack, which means the equity edge is gonna be significant also. Not too mention it gives us other ways to win the hand rather than flopping a set.

That "small pot" equals 15% of OP's stack. Even getting called about half of the time will still give us a +EV spot. Assuming you are still shortstacking, you're personal EV would be even higher.

I'll admit I didn't notice the straddle was on (so there is definitely more money in the pot relative to stacks than I originally thought, especially if shortstacking). Still, a raise after this many llimpers would have to be stack committing (we'll need to be sticking in 25+% of our stack and will be creating an SPR 1 spot ETA: in shortstack $200 case, but similar in $275 case), so we're going to have to get folds a lot more than half time to do well imo...

ETA: On top of that, even if it did work out that preflop shoving was EV (I'm not convinced it is), is it more EV than simply taking our odds and easy peasy ~setmining?

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1/3 Live 10-Handed (No Rake, Time Charge)

BTN straddles. He said he’s played one million hands online and he seems to be a good thinking player. He’s more LAG than TAG but not too loose preflop.

The rest of the table is mostly typical loose passives.

The effective stack is $275.

Six people limp including both blinds.

I’m in the CO with 7s 7c. I limp.

BTN checks.

Flop ($48): 4h 2s 4s

Everyone checks to me.

I'm not used to these spots. I didn't know what to do. I thought about betting and even picked up chips like I was going to bet but I ended up checking since I thought there was a decent chance that BTN would bet.

BTN bets $25. Blinds fold, someone in early position calls the $25 (he is loose passive), and the rest of the players fold back to me.

The pot is $98.

Your play?

call and pray the turn gets checked around. the $25 is probably the last money you should put in the pot. i wouldn't fault a flop fold either as the loose passive having a bigger pair (or even aces lol) would not surprise me.

Having limped this preflop and seeing the flop 8 handed or whatever, i dont see any reason to put another chip in this pot on this flop. Most passive fish check their trip 4s , 22s full, and if they limped a bigger overpair.

Honestly betting (or calling a bet) this flop just seems like burning money to me. I want the free card, maybe spike a 7 so i can cooler 4x or 22 or a limped big pair, i dont see any logical reason to bet this flop 10 way.

I agree with carnivore here; I don't think its nitty at all to let this go considering the amount of players in the hand, you could be good here but you are sandwhiched btwn 2 players and if you are behind you are likely hosed; and when ahead they will have decent equity vs you

Yeah, you had a chance to play your 77s like you had a hand and that was preflop. You chose to limp which I think is totally fine. But once you get into an 8 way pot with 77, your done with the hand if you don't hit a set.

1/3 Live 10-Handed (No Rake, Time Charge)

BTN straddles. He said he’s played one million hands online and he seems to be a good thinking player. He’s more LAG than TAG but not too loose preflop.

The rest of the table is mostly typical loose passives.

The effective stack is $275.

Six people limp including both blinds.

I’m in the CO with 7s 7c. I limp.

BTN checks.

Flop ($48): 4h 2s 4s

Everyone checks to me.

I'm not used to these spots. I didn't know what to do. I thought about betting and even picked up chips like I was going to bet but I ended up checking since I thought there was a decent chance that BTN would bet.

BTN bets $25. Blinds fold, someone in early position calls the $25 (he is loose passive), and the rest of the players fold back to me.

The pot is $98.

I check-raise to $75 and they both fold.

But after thinking about the hand some and reading this thread, I think I got pretty lucky. Looks like I hit the bottom of the two callers' ranges.

Also, betting the flop seems much better because I think BTN will check most of the time since it is an eight-handed flop.

If we're checking the flop (which I don't hate), then I'm folding to this action. Button may be bluffing (although he'd have to be semi-suicidal to do so into eleventeen players) but caller usually has something with so many more people behind him to react.

Don't think I like the check/raise idea. It mostly just folds worse and rarely folds better (although I guess there is some argument for denying equity to worse who could have some equity, although we're never folding hands that have great equity like flush draw + overs and then what on the turn?).

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