Thats tough. The button player is definitely a tight player, so I think the worst hand in his 4 bet range is AK, and that is no fun to go against with QQ. I think I would probably talk myself into a fold, however I could see a jam against most players.

Yeah. At this level, I figure it's the nice thing to do when someone makes one of their biggest folds. Let them know they made a really nice play. You're not really giving up much info, (you really like AA preflop) and you got some info in return, that he could tell you were enthusiastic about your hand. Also, keeps the game feeling friendly.

It's good to factor your gained info in and remember it in the future. We almost never think, "maybe Villain has a good read on me" when reviewing hands, but it probably happens quite a lot. There are many winning players who might not have their eyes fall out of their head when they hit the flop, but you can tell when they are completely free of apprehension.

confusing for your post-hand analysis is the button fold. 4bet/fold for this much more is very rare. the question is, are you better off calling to invite the 3rd player in. you're a bit less likely to stack the button if you just call (against most players, although apparently not this Villain), so it's probably close. OOP I'm not gonna fault a pre-flop jam, although I'd probably call pre.

I see no benefit whatsoever in showing we had AA here. I'd never do that.

Gpokerisagameofincompleteinformationandtrymybestto keepinthatwayG

I never showed AA but I did tell him that I had AA.

With telling there is always an element of doubt / lying, so not nearly as horrendous.

I'll admit I give away too much information away at the table in the name of ego stroking. It's something I'm still working on and I'm getting slightly better at keeping my mouth shut, but still slipping up from time to time.

GcluelessegostrokingnoobG

I have the same issue. I have a hard time not showing when I have the nuts.


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I never have that problem. For me it's more telling when I make a great fold.

Gstupidstupidstupid,butgettingbetterG

I show hands a lot, and usually in a situation just like this. It's pretty obvious what I had, and it makes the V feel better. In this case, part of that would be out of real empathy. I'd very much want to know if I'd folded KK correctly.

But usually it's just to make them happy and at ease and to promote the idea that we're all just here having fun.

They often show me hands in return, and I usually finesse it so they show me more than I show them. And, while I usually chose spots where I give up as little info as possible (oh wow, I raise when I have the nuts, who could have guessed?), they are less selective.

Can't remember the last time I showed out of ego, though.

I'll also tell them what I had, but I frequently lie.

While promoting a fun pleasant atmosphere is definitely a good thing, I don't think it is necessary to show hands to do that. If KK shows and asks "did we have AA" I'm sure we can manage to not show here while still being pleasant and keeping things light; heck, even a simple "yup, I did" with a smile is probably fine (as lying is still a real possibility).

And I'm also guessing we can still manage a way to get others to show their hands on a fairly regular basis without us having to show ours.

Poker is largely a game of incomplete information and compiling reads. Give as little information as possible, imo.

GcluelessinformationgivingnoobG

the trick is to peak at one card then flip over the other card so it looks like Ax

Our 5-bet range is not AA after a good reg 4-bets a monkey. The dynamic is special.

Still would flat but the fold is ridiculous unless we’re playing very nitty and he knows it.

Pot is 330+25+105+3+1 = 474

It's 225 to call. V needs only 32% equity to call

Our range needs to be AA + 3 combos of AK for the call to be profitable

Or AA, KK + 2 combos of QQ

Or KK+, AKs

Folding is so super nitty

In hands that don't involve a maniac, a 5bet at these stack sizes (especially one facing a cold 4bet) is exclusively AA tho, no?

GonlyfoldedKKtwicepreflop,butthiswouldbemythirdtim eifIwasVillain,imoG

Poast #38 tho

I auto skip you poasts bruh.

Let's just call my poast a friendly reminder of how ridiculous folding KK here is