$1/$3, $300 effective.

UTG+1 is a late 20s WG, seems to be fairly TAG.
SB is a loose-passive fish.
Hero has TAG image.

Hero limps $3 UTG with 88
UTG+1 raises $20
SB flats $20
Hero calls $20

Flop ($57, 3ways) is J76r

All check

Turn ($57, 3ways) is 4

SB checks, Hero bets $35, UTG+1 calls $35, SB folds

River ($120, HU) is 3
Board is J7643

Hero checks
UTG+1 bets $85
Hero ???

Fold or call?

I raise preflop.

Did the turn 4 bring in any flush draws? And what suits are your 8s. That would affect my decision.

This is basically a 50/50 decision. If there are really no flush draws, I could see laying this down.

I have nowhere near enough information here to make a decision. What is this guys raising range? I think he is unlikely to have a 5 here unless it is 55. AJ, 99, TT, all seem possible here though, as does AK and JJ (if he is awful and slow plays a lot, same for 77)

My gut tells me he has 99 or TT and misplayed the flop though.

With the fish in the hand I'm ok with preflop. Actually not convinced it's profitable though (my guess needing more callers to be so).

Sometimes I donk small here. Lotta whiffed Ax in raisers range, we have the best hand here a lot and are simply protecting our equity, plus could get called by worse by the fish. I wouldn't hate a $20 bet.

I also bet the turn. Weird call by the raiser as methinks this is never overcards, so it's either a pot controlling TP on the flop (possibly a weak one like TT) or a sneaky draw of some sort (although I'm having a difficult time figuring out what hand that would be as even stuff like comboblocked 98 likely bets the flop).

I check/fold the river. Our check suggests we don't have the straight, so he likely puts us on a mediocre hand that could call a bet. What busted hand is he bluffing with; 98 that raised preflop, flopped an OESD, and didn't 3bet? 55 got there. He's really floating the turn after showing weakness on the flop with a fish that could still easily come along for the ride? He most likely simply had us all along and the flop check has thrown us off.

GcluelessNLnoobG

If his check on the flop enables his river bet to get called, I'm not sure I would label it much of a misplay (although admittedly I'd likely lean to cbetting those hands).

GcluelessmisplayingnoobG

Doesn't villain's flop check put 5x SC/gappers in his range? Even TAGs like to raise 45s 56s type hands.

If he raised with high cards he would probably want to cbet that board and take it down or continue with the initiative. But given that he didn't and decided to call the turn, it's less likely he has high cards unless he planned to bluff you off on the river but that would be spewy and inconsistent with a TAG image. Rather, he likely has a hand that connected with some piece of the flop and improved on the turn.

I mean is he really banking on you to fold a jack on the river with air? If so, what hand does he show up with?

Obviously we need to know if the turn brought a flush draw in. If it did I would c/c here

It's a fold. Normally I would put this as a 5 but considering the check on the flop, the check call on the turn, plus the raise and raise size pre I'd bet a set of jacks.


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Raise pre.


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Thank you for your advice everyone. It seems like there's a mix of opinions about what to do on the river.

The reason I limp-called preflop was because in the past, I would raise these 66-TT hands, get multiple callers, then have to x/fold the flop because I can never continue a hand like 99 on a K53 flop 5ways. So I figured that I'm better off just accepting that it's hard to get a heads up pot at 1/3 live and instead limping, set-mining and not bloating the pot when I have a middling pair with SDV.

Based on what happened, it seems to me that his range on this river looks something like: 33, 55, 99, TT, JJ, AQ, AK, QJ, JT and J9 here. It's possible that he decides to be tricky with top pair medium-weak kicker IP and check JT & QJ & J9 on the flop... I know I do that from time to time. 33 & 55 is a bit uncommon because I feel that most people at 1/3 would limp that in UTG+1 rather than trying to isolate. AK and AQ is also unlikely given that there was still the SB, so he might be less likely to float with Ace high. 99 & TT probably check back river for showdown? That leaves me thinking he has JJ here... It would make the most sense to me for taking the exact same line with JJ. Since we also block 98, I would probably fold here as his value range is somewhat stronger than his bluff range.

If I've read responses right, everyone is leaning towards a river fold (with the exception that it might be a call if the turn brought a flush draw that busted).

I'm cool with your open limp thinking.

GcluelessopenlimpingnoobG

deleted because i read the hand oh so wrong.

I am fine with open-limping here and I'm fine with flop/turn. I think river is a fold unless you know V will bluff here. Why did you check instead of betting river? Was it to check/fold or check/call or hope he checked behind? I might have thrown out a half-pot blocking bet.

In game, I think I just fold.

Turn is still a check.

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