1/3 Encore Boston Q10dd on Button
Join Date: Aug 2019
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Table Dynamics:
Wednesday morning at Encore Boston. Talking 8:00 am. I have just sat at the table with 200. Table has been running all night. Most of the table have over 600 in front with some stacks over 1k. Table consists of all middle aged white guys who seem unkempt/drunk/hungover. Table welcomed me immediately when I sat down stating that I am in for a wild ride because the table is action packed.
I have sat for about 20 minutes prior to this hand, and the table wasnt super aggressive in my time there but a lot of calls and family pots, with some serious terrible bluffs being made on rivers by two V's (betting 120 in a 60 dollar pot with bottom pair for instance).
Before this hand a younger African-American male sits down from a broken 2/5 game with about 1.5k but can only buy in for the max of 300. Knows all players at the table and verbally states he cant wait to take everyone's money.
OTTH -
5 Limpers before it gets to Hero in B who looks down at Q10dd, H elects to limp as well.
V1 (African-American) in BB elects to raise to 15. Including V2 who is a early 40's white guy who I have never seen before who has a stack of about 800. Poker clock says he has been here for 7 hours already.
All 4 limpers and Hero elect to call the raise.
Flop (90)
6d9d6c
V1 (285), V2 (785) and the rest of the table check the flop, Hero elects to bet 30 into the pot in an attempt to thin the field... all players call.
Turn ($240)
6d9d6cJd
All five players check to Hero in botton. Hero elects to bet 50, V1 Calls, V2 min raises to $100, all fold to Hero. Hero ???
Last edited by Garick; 12-12-2019 at 10:10 AM.
Reason: Removed results
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You only have $200. You should have bet all in on the turn. What is the point of betting $50 into $240 last to act after hitting your hand against 4 opponents who all called the flop?
As played of course you just go all in. You only have $100 left anyway and the pot will be over $500.
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Please don't include results, and last actions are part of results. I edited them out.
Calling pre is fine closing the action. The 1/3 pot flop bet is pointless. Either bet big enough to semi-bluff or just take your free card.
Not going to comment on turn, as I saw results.
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I'm fine with the preflop overlimp on the Button.
I used to think calling the preflop raise in this spot (especially closing the action, especially on the Button) was automatic. Now I'm not nearly as convinced. RIO is a real thing and a lotta times we make a strong but second best hand that won't be able to fold postflop at this SPR. Think I'd rather have Axs than QTs due to it's nut drawing ability. If everyone is a moran, then fine. If a lot at the table sorta half know what is going on, it may be a lot more meh than we think.
I think I just check back the flop. The board is paired so there is some argument for attempting to win the hand now since we could be drawing a lot slimmer than we think. But our FE in 6way pots is just so small, especially at an action table. Lol @ result (everyone calling), which is kinda not unexpected and why we should just take our free card. ETA: Also just realize we only have $185 left in a $90 pot, so there is some argument for just jamming with our hopefully decent equity (flush draw + overs) + ok FE for this amount. But taking the in-between route like did and betting small is the worst option.
Turn is why preflop ain't as slam dunk as we might think. Anyhoo, we only have $155 left in a $240 pot (just a 2/3 PSB). The only bet size is to shove, and that's what I'd do. As played I hate life but I don't see how we can do anything other than ship it given money in the pot / stack sizes, but we're often on a 2 outer here.
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Pre: Limp/Call is fine. At a less crazy table and bigger stacks I would probably raise in position here.
Post: What on earth are we pot sweetening for? Bet big, or check behind. It's called a semi-bluff because part of equity is in the fold. Four ways and given table description, check behind.
Turn: We should shove first time; we're basically close to dead if someone has a better flush or a boat. Might as well make the naked Ad Kd pay big.
As played, meh, you have to shove, but I'm not happy.
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This is part of the reason why I don’t like having less than 100 BB in front of me.. but I’m tempted to just ship flop and maximize our FE.
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I check the flop. We have two overs on a paired board with a non-nut draw vs. five players -- I see no point in betting. Shove the turn the first time; shove now. No other choice.
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So after going all in on the turn.. both V's make the call. The African-American kid who makes the call mutters to me 'that I best have a full house' and the older white V says to the dealer 'please not another diamond'
The river is a brick and V2 shows 75dd for a small flush, V1 mucks, and I scoop the pot.