Setting: Encore Boston, 6 pm. Been at table since 4, bought in for 200, currently around 175 stack size.

Table Dynamics; typical 1/3 game, in two hours there has not been one 3! preflop. Early MAAG v has left. V in this hand limps alot preflop, rarely raises pre, is slightly aggressive post flop, but mainly friendly and plays with hope of keeping pot low.

OTTH

Hero looks at KJss in small blind

4 limpers before it gets to V in button who raises to 12.

V ( stack over 1k) also states when he raises that he swears he is going to win the hand no matter what.

Hero in SB calls 12, Cutoff also calls.

Flop (45ish):
2h4hJc

Hero in SB checks
Co leads out for $17
Button just calls
Hero raises to $60

CO folds
Button shoves all in

Hero?

*FWIW I was really thrown off with the Hero's flat on the flop. If he has overpair why not raise there to see what he has? Also I'm sure the best measure is to fold preflop, especially out of position.

Vs. a tight player who rarely raises pre, I just fold my SB, although it plays OK multi-way and there are four other limpers. Still, you are OOP and most likely dominated unless you hit perfectly.

I do not like the flop raise at all unless you were planning to commit, and if that's the case, go for it.

You've put in almost half your stack, but it would be tough for you to be ahead vs. this guy. Would he do this with a flush draw?

Really trivial fold preflop, imo. Dude rarely raises and now he's raising over 4 limpers; we are always crushed here. We also don't know if any of the other people are going to come along to pad the pot / our IO (or limp/reraise), plus we're in a terrible relative position (directly after the raiser) and OOP to everyone else, plus it's for a rather large 7% of our small stack.

Flop is a trivial check/fold facing this action. Yeah, it's a relatively small donk bet, but dude is still betting into guy who ain't getting outta line and that guy called. Check/raise is way overplaying our hand.

And I'd fold to the shove even though we've put in 1/3rd of our stack (an argument could be made for calling due to this). The only worse hand he could possibly have in this spot is big heart overcards and even that hand is doing ok; everything else he's doing this with is destroying us.

You don't state CO's stack, but if he's deep like Villain then Villain should never be raising an overpair here to start bloating a pot deep with just one pair. But once shortstack you got involved (who looks like he can overplay mediocre hands) and the CO folded, it became a trivial commitment spot for him.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Your raise prevents chasing by overs, QJ, JT, J9s, A3s, A5s, 56s. If you raise, give odds that are only a bit negative to draws. Your raise maximizes loss to AJ, AA, KK, QQ, 22, 44. Raise also reopened action to the shove, creating a low-information difficult decision.

Fold. If button was itching to make a crazy move, how did he have the patience to call behind on flop? And your read of him was the opposite. He could easily think he was trapping with an over pair, but your raise made the pot juicy enough to drop the hammer.

With suited broadway and the potential for multiway, I don't hate the preflop call. But your range is below the button's, so you have to proceed cautiously. Check calling and seeing the turn would have been nice. But note the MP donk suggests a jack out has been removed.

Call pre fine given that small sizing, flop just call no reason to raise

3! Or fold

fold pre. dont look at the flop so you dont tilt when you fold the winning hand. id fold kqs here too. probably fold AQo.

100% too often we get put in bad spots in the SB

Yeah, 3-betting pre is lighting money on fire, especially 66bb deep. It's call or fold.

Completely agree with 3b is lighting money on fire. Never is this a fold pre though. There was 16 in the pot when villain raised. Four limps plus blinds. (4 * 3 + 1 + 3). So hero needs to call 11 in a pot of 28. You didn't need much equity to call here.

Doesn’t he light the same amount of $ on fire flopping top pair and being dominated postflop unless he flops a boat or a flush? He has more of chance to win the flop pre IMO

If you’re in the BB with KJss and are not allowed to fold and suppose the PFR raises to 4x bb pre w/ only JJ+, AQo+ (fits the definition of rarely raises) would you rather call or 3b?

You can possibly make a case to fold pre but im never folding for that price, but it’s pretty clear that call >>>>>> 3b imo

For what its worth V ended up showing AhKh for the nut flush draw. Overall I appreciate everyone's feedback. I just felt that the flat to the 17 was the move that was most confusing. If V had an OP he prob would have raised to take it down right there.

Ah +1

If we were all in with a call then there's more of an argument for a preflop call due to being able to realize our equity (which we won't always be able to do with stacks behind), eliminating our RIO, and having more than our fair share of equity multiway when all stacks go in (expecting overcalls).

But RIO (look at how much money we're going to lose postflop on K high boards against AK) and being OOP (harder to play and get our IO paid off) for the rest of our stack postflop make this a really trivial fold, imo.

GimmediateoddspreflopmeanverylittleinNLG

I can see various reasons for flatting as the preflop raiser here:

- keeps his range wide, allows for more action from top pair type hands such JQ etc, also his range can still contain all the overpairs regardless of his flop action ( ie , lets say he has AA, he flats your $60, turn brings in a brick, you jam ) or
hes got AA and you both have more money behind, you barrel turn and he raises all in,,, puts players in weird spots that they're not used to,
- yes he can be outdrawn , but thats a calculated risk that can be taken for the benefit of higher reward,
- if flush cards come in may allow opponent to bluff or hit their dominated flush card,
- I guess the thinking is NEVER EXPECT THE SAME PLAY CAN BE UNIVERSAL ALL THE TIME ,,,

Please tell me you called.

Flatting the $17 and then shoving is how I would have played it with two overs and the nut flush draw, especially vs. your stack. Would be nice to know how much CO had, but he folded to your raise, so it's moot.

I sadly did not call the all in bet. I figured he smooth called with an over pair, and that I was essentially crushed.

CO had me covered (600ish stack) but V had us both covered.

Scared money wont make no money....

This is why BTN flatted CO on the flop, but once you raised and CO folded, BTN's ship was a no-brainer.

Button still could have easily played an overpair this way (i.e. flatting the donk) due to the deepness of CO (and it's how I would have played it).

The last action is probably pretty close between folding and calling (I won't hate on either), but the real mistakes were made on both prior actions.

GimoG