Hi all,

Sick spot

Playing 4-6 handed which is a dream with this line up.

My image is very active and 3 betting a lot picking up dead money

There is a young Asian girl that many people would recognize playing in this game if they are a regular at the bellagio

She is folding probably too much and being passive quite frequently. She is deep stacked with like 800 to start.


I am explorativslt betting very small against her and it is working a lot

I have 500 to start

She limps UTG and I raise to 12 OTB with 10d 8d

She calls flop 3d 4d 2h (28)

I bet 10 and she calls

(48)

Turn Kd

I bet 45 she raises to 185

Thoughts? First time I have seen aggressive action from her in about an hour

I don't play in these types of dynamics, but I'd mostly lean towards a fold. I think most other really good hands (like sets) just keep check/calling to let aggro you hang yourself while not committing huge stacks if they happen to be behind.

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easy fold against a passive fish. If you've never seen her take this line with a set on a flushed board or a pair + flush draw then let this one go until proven otherwise.

Sucks, but I think you have to let this go. Your decision is easier in that you have 4th nuts on this board. She could easily have QJdd or even Q9dd, J9dd.

What are people's thoughts on how strong we have to be to call? Are we folding 2nd NFs? Against this opponent and this line, seems like the answer might be yes, as gross as it is.

Dude, you know the answer. She has no worse for value right? No bluffs right? So...please don't feed the nitfish. She doesn't care you've been active, she's just waiting for the nuts, there it is. You wanna give her another 200 so she can rack up and break your game?

Flop bet is too small. I’d probably flat the turn bet. Might come to a different conclusion if I was there, but from the way you described the situation, you’ve been super aggro, surely that’s her read on you and it seems like she’s deciding to take a stand. Her raise seems awfully big for value. I’d probably fold to a river shove and call a smallish blocker bet. Checking behind if she checks.

Having 108dd specifically is actually really bad because you block many weaker flushes she can be value raising with.

I hate this spot but I think I just let it go.

I am never folding 2nd NF for 160bb against a fishy player, she could raise weaker flushes. I also think at some frequency people tend to just call with the nuts here and donk river huge, or x/r river huge. So we can discount some NF although she will have a decent amount here.

OP, do you know what her RFI looks like? Is she raising A10s/A9s/AJs...? AQs?

I'm assuming not Qxs given description.

Weak,overfolder,passive fish raises you.
Fold ever single time and not even thinking about it.
Give up so you can start stealer her money next hand

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I am only folding if I am 100% sure of my read. I would need at least 10 hours playing with this person to know that this is only ever the nuts to comfortably fold here. I flat and re-eval river. If you've been "too aggressive", sometimes people pick really dumb spots to play back at you.

This is a tougher spot for me than people are making it out to be. Ain't that often that I fold a flush.

For her, it's a heads up pot against an aggressive player who has bet her out of a lot of pots. You're just absolutely certain she's giving us diamonds when we raise preflop and just keep betting? Sounds like our actual range is quite wide here. Is she utterly oblivious to that? She NEVER has a set or straight and figures she is winning but doesn't want to see another diamond and/or is a little tilted?

65, 67, 97 of diamonds are pretty nutty for her here, but also don't want to see another diamond.

There are a lot of bigger diamond combos, but Minatorr mentioned, many of these should be raising pre. If she is limp calling AQ, AJs, KQs, I guess that weights things pretty heavily to nutted hands.

Is she limp calling stuff like q9s and A7s UTG?

In game, I probably call and evaluate against all but the tightest players. Especially because I have been running over the table a little and I don't expect others to put me on big hands.

Villain seems more likely to have a set than flush here no? Maybe even ak with a diamond.

So it's really hard for me to think anything other than call is correct, assuming villain folds worse to a jam.

Zero chance some nit is doing anything but ck calling w a set when the flush hits the turn s things are deep.

He didn't say she was a MASSIVE nit.

I think they lead a lot. I think they check raise a fair amount, if they are pretty sure we bet.

It's pretty paranoid to give us a flush here. We've been aggro and they have us most of the time. However, a river diamond really sucks, so they have to put some heat on now.

This seems to be what I see anyway. And I would have a pretty similar thought process against a player who was very aggro.

Quiet young and passive asian girls don’t risk 500 without the nuts. She ain’t reopening action with a set or 2p on a 3liner/3flush board with K turn vs pfr. Stop giving these ridiculous players money.