Hero has about 200 bbs, covers villain who has about 80bbs.

Hero has been playing really tight agressive, have only showed down 2 hands in the 4 hour session and one was JJ and the other K10dd on a 10 high board. This was the next to the last hand of my session, I had my chips in the rack ready to go so I know sometimes people put pressure on people that are about to leave.

Hero is UTG +2 and has K K raises to 15. Villain calls and is to my immediate left and just moved from the other side of the table to that seat (for unknown reason) Villain seems like a 40 year old degenerate gambler but the image I have of him may be wrong. Get two other callers from LP and blinds fold

FLOP ($64 in pot)

J 9 8

Hero bets $40, Villain calls, other two players fold.

TURN ($144 in pot)

J

Hero checks, Villain bets $60, Hero?


Should I continue betting this turn? Or is it standard to turn my hand into a bluff catcher now? I realize there are still a ton of draws to get value from but seeing this flop 4 way had me a little worried with this turn card. I considered check raising all in on the turn but figured It may never be called with a worse hand.


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AS PLAYED

I think you should have folded the turn as played. I would have bet the turn myself

I think you can take one off on the turn a re-evaluate a river.

I think checking the turn is okay as alot of draws will bluff, especially if its a degenerate and you've shown weakness. He may even think "Well its less likely he has a J now and he would have probably bet if he has a J"

The sizing is small and is usually not indicative of a strong made hand (Jx or Straight)

You could maybe even make a case to C/R the turn to GII with draws at this stack depth although you will sometimes run into Jx, but I think its still a fine thin value c/r especially if he will not bluff the river.

I'd have bet folded the turn, so that a straight or flush draw can't just check back and get a free card. If i get raised I can happily fold

Stu Ungar?

In this case, it's hard to tell whether the V is actually betting the turn, or is still betting the flop. That's one of the bad things about checking (giving up the lead); if you had put in a new bet, his bet would include consideration of the new card.

It's a horrible 4 card peel for your hand, and the tendency is to give up. A smallish bet with position tends to be a suck bet. And if you are behind, you are drawing very thin.

I think you need to consider what you expect to happen on the next street if you peel. A variant of "The Johnny Chan play" would be call the turn and block the river. That would cost you $160 - $200 more against the $205 in the pot.

Check folding the turn is bat**** insane. Bet/fold should be the standard vs unknown live opponent.

Bet the turn and consider bluffcatching the river is prob the best line.

Preflop is really dependent on table dynamics, imo. I don't like that we've gone 4way OOP creating a smallish SPR where we'll probably have to stack off postflop and yet offered 3 opponents great implied odds to do so. If this result was expected, I'd limp to reraise.

This result is far and away my most troublesome spot I've been having this year and it's costing me a bunch of money. It's so easy to make a mistake here. We can fastplay on this drawy board and get all the money in, and yet if we're behind we're getting stacked. We can slowplay/evaluate, and yet often we'll give everyone a great chance at drawing out on us, or we'll fold the best hand. I *hate* being in this spot, which is why I really try to avoid it preflop.

Lately I've concluded that if I've setup a small SPR on a drawy board and flopped an overpair in a raised multiway pot that I'm simply going to have to grit my teeth and go with it. Yes, I'm going to get stacked when behind. But draws and TP hands can make mistakes against me, plus with an overpair we will suck out a decent amount of the time versus two pair, so I'm hoping that balances things out.

Here, the SPR is 3.5 against the degenerate gambler. Board is drawy as hell. If others are deep like we are, this is just a really gross spot. But if everyone is short like main Villain, then I think I PSB the flop to shove the rest in on a safe turn.

I don't like the 2/3 PSB on the flop as it sets up a wonky stack for the turn ($185 left in a $144 pot). Again, a PSB on the flop enables a reasonable shove on the turn. Although, again other stack sizes perhaps make this difficult.

Obviously a sucky turn card, but there's enough draws in his range. If we hadda PSB the flop we could more easily commit/shove the turn. As played, if this guy can bluff, I don't hate the check/shove. But overall, I think we just have to grit our teeth and get the money in by the turn somehow.

ETA: Can we really bet/fold this turn with just over a PSB left remaining? Against a nit who is protecting against the draws, maybe. Otherwise, against someone described as a possible degenerate, meh.

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