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1/3 deep stack-Calling down a triple barrel: river spot 1/3 deep stack-Calling down a triple barrel: river spot

12-07-2015 , 09:45 AM
Hello
1/3 local card room Saturday night
300buyin max
After 4 hour, hero sitting on 600 which is pretty large since most player buyin 100-200.
Table get short handed and I was going to call it a night and go home happily.

However, the other 1/3 game break and our table fills up.

2 players had about 300$ (full stack), and Mrs. Villain has more than 600$ sitting across the table.

Villain had been drinking, female, Latino, mid 30, slightly short, never play with her before.
Note: I play at that card room once a week (mostly Saturday night), in this case I do not know anyone on the table which means it should be a soft game.
Hero is a tight, maybe slightly passive player to most ppl.
From my observation: Villain's bet sizing is very unconventional.
In that specific game, she is the first person I see to bet pot on every street.....
In the last 5 hand she won, she bet pot (sometime over pot size) and won without showdown. I did not see her call in any hand (she either bet pot, raise huge or check fold).

In this hand, Villain has the button and Mississippi straddle to 6 (action start at small blind)
SB fold
Hero in BB looking down at AQoff
Hero raise to 18 total (3 times the straddle, 6BB)
Everyone fold to BTN, she call 12 more.
Flod KK2 rainbow. board is very dry
Hero know that Ace high is the best hand, but I m afraid of her raise big and I dont know what to do
Hero check
Villain bet 40.
hero see a physical tell by her chip cutting out that I Know she does not have a K (she can not even quickly cut out 40$ in chips and she is adding up 5 by 5) (previously, she just put the chips in, this time she announce it but cannot put in the chips as correct amount)
Hero thought: In most situation against her, hero will raise big (150$) and protect my equity. In this case, hero decide let her triple barrel bluff because she has equal stack as I do and I can see a double up here.

Question1: Thought on this?????????????
only me and villain is deep (200BB+), does it worth the risk?

Hero call
Turn card is a 3.
Hero check call 80. (dealer helps her cut out $80)
River car is a 9 (no flush, no straight, super-dry board)
hero check
villain bet 180. (dealer helps her cut out $180)
she has 300ish behind
Hero was going to snap call

Question2: But for one second I was wonder do I go all in? I have 300 behind
In case she makes a pair of 2 or 3 and I should remove her from those random small pairs.

Last edited by Garick; 12-07-2015 at 10:14 AM. Reason: removed results
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12-07-2015 , 10:19 AM
Welcome to LLSNL, OP.

Remember that just because she doesn't have a K, doesn't mean that she's bluffing. Chances of you having a K are low based on the board and your check, so she could be betting any PP>2<K for value against your actual holding and still give off uncertainty tells.

Not going to comment beyond that, as I saw results. Please do not post them in the future, as they bias responses, even in a spoiler.
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12-07-2015 , 10:55 AM
Think it is a mistake to have the plan to call down here with A high. It does not sound as though we have any reason to believe she is just going to empty the clip with air here. How are you justifying your physical tell? It sounds as though V has not shown down a hand, so it seems unlikely we would be able to attribute a change in her mannerisms to specifically a weak hand, it could just be excitement with a strong hand.

It is difficult to comment as play, but I guess either way is fine. Calling was your plan and, as a general statement, it is unlikely V is turning stronger hands into bluffs. Conversely, you shoving river looks very strong and may potentially fold out better hands (i.e. 2x 3x 44-77, etc.) - though these holdings are unlikely.

While her line is pretty FOS - I'd like to call down here with the top portions of my range, not the bottom.
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12-07-2015 , 10:57 AM
Raising is a lot better then calling.

Doubt she bets a pair much IP OTR thought.
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12-07-2015 , 11:28 AM
I think you made the right decision pre and to check the flop. I'd need a good read on villain before I decide to call and bluff with A high. The easy decision is to fold the flop. Villain probably calls wide and has plenty of Kx in her range. However, if you think V can psb with A high, a weak pocket pair, or worse, you can try to bluff.

I think the big bluff decision is on the turn. To convince villain you slowplayed Kx, you'd have to raise small on the turn and shove any river. If you raise to $160-200 and get called, you can shove your remaining $350ish into a pot of about $500. A bigger raise on the turn doesn't give you enough FE on the river. You can fold if V shoves to your micro raise on the turn since you're almost certainly beat. I'm not sure you have a strong enough read on villain to float then double barrel bluff.

As played, I hate calling down with just A high. I think you should have bet-fold the river instead of check-call. A shove doesn't look believable since you should have bet with Kx at some point. I'm also not so sure about villain's tell. A villain so nervous they can barely count their chips usually means they are super strong. A bluffer would try to act more confident. I'd probably just fold the river.

More importantly, you're going to be in position on this villain all but two times per orbit. Wait until you have a strong hand and let V bomb her chips away when you have position. Generally, I'd give up on the flop here and wait for a better spot.

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12-07-2015 , 11:43 AM
Thanks for the post.
Yeah I was certain that she will fire with total air. Reason is high VPIP and 100% c-bet pot size.
She reraise 4 hands preflop in 2 round ( this is not count toward the last five hand she won post flop). This lady just simply play too many hands(more than 50% VPIP). Will an amateur newbie bet pot on three street with an middle pair for value? I doubt it.
Consider she has position, a big raise on flop maybe the best way?

I thinks she announe her bet size and hope I throw my hand right away. And on flop she was not even try to put money in. She was simply wait me to fold ( which I makes me thinking to call down with ace high cause she has chips behind to fire with on three streets)

How do I know she is newbie? She try's to put alcohol and her purse on table/ pick up hole cards like they do in table games with one hand. villain is not reading board texture.

Anyway. After the hand is over I realize how dangerous is calling down with ace high. And I m going to raise the flop next time.
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12-08-2015 , 11:25 PM
I would make it more preflop with this particular hand and these particular positions.

Postflop: I'm not sure I have a great handle on the tell you picked up. She's been blasting pots away with no hesitation at all, and yet now she suddenly has trouble cutting her chips and counting to 8 in a $40 pot? Sounds more like the nuts than air to me. As such, I would definitely fold turn and might even be able to abandon my original plan and fold the flop.

If you are confident in your tell, though, and I'm misinterpreting, then I think calling down is fine. And it's definitely a lot better than shoving.
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