I probably raise the turn to $90 and plan to call it off if he raises/shoves, although we could have only 12 outs or fewer. Tough against an unknown. I guess you could fold to a re-raise, but might as well not raise then.
Other option is to call and see what develops on the river, which is much lower variance but we could hate a lot of rivers and need to call many of them.
I'm fine with whatever preflop. If everyone behind (Button/SB/BB) is deep I'm fine with open limping, but also fine with raising to create a manageable SPR deep (in which case I might go slightly smaller from this spot) or to create a trivial stack off SPR if Button/SB are short / bad.
SPR is 9.5 so I definitely don't think we want to stack off postflop with just TPTK on this board. Against straightforward ABC face up players I'm ok with a bet/fold, although folding with a nut draw does suck. Against a more competent player I'm fine with a check behind on this board. I'm cool with the flop.
I would just call the turn. Getting reraised large would really suck as we'd likely have to fold all our nut outs. One benefit to checking the flop was setting up a bluffcatcher which we're fine with continuing, and meanwhile we limit the loss UI if we're behind (which we easily could be) and won't get blown off our equity (which we'd like to get to the river to realize).
Given that the hand is 1/3/6 aren't we starting off somewhere in the 85bb deep range. Not sure if I would call that "deep". Given that I'm raising the turn and calling a shove. I'm not super excited about a shove over but I'm sure not folding.
I would have bet the flop though something in the $40 range up near a psb.
torn here a little. prolly raise more than flat. dont really care to get it in here for a buyin. depends on exact villain and how the flop went as far as reads or dynamics and if you feel there was a c/r coming. there are alot of hands beating you from a bb limp/call range pre but also alot of combo hands youre ahead of.
think its easier to play hands like this by betting flop.
Definitely bet flop? Not sure what you're trying to achieve by checking. Top Top with a gutter on a broadway board. Your range destroys that board more than him.
I'd certainly raise turn as played too, you look like you have a huge hand by checking the flop when in reality you were just trying to pot control.
I don't think betting the flop is horrible, but it's not absolutely necessary. If "our range destroys this board more than him" that is actually reason to check, not bet (what are we looking to do, fold out hands we're destroying?). There are certainly worse hands / draws we can get value from by betting, and against straightforward ABC players that may be a better line. But there are lots of hands that crush us on this board, and facing a check/raise from a more non-straightforward player (who could be check/raising crushing hands as well as good equity hands that are still behind) will put us in a pretty gross spot (one where we will likely have to fold and forfeit any chance of realizing our equity).
By checking the flop we put ourselves in a real easy peasy turn situation. We have a nice showdownable hand that doesn't really want to blow up the pot any more and and can easily call down UI, we get bluffers to barrel into us, we don't get put in any gross spots being asked to play for huge money (which we rarely want to do with just TP), and we are able to get to the river and realize our potential equity (where we can then go for value if we improve).
We should check the flop for balance and deception but not because of pot control. This is a live game, he's calling a lot wider than online, hero is pre-flop aggressor. If you bet this flop and get called, you will have a much better chance of seeing a cheaper river if pot control is warranted, and you unsure about the strength of Villains hand.
There are a lot of turn cards that we don't like, any QJT9 and spade. Even if one of those comes on the turn after the betting the flop, you are more likely to be able to re-evaluate the river on a checked turn.
If you bet this flop and get called, you will have a much better chance of seeing a cheaper river
The best way to guarantee a cheap river is by checking back the flop. Betting the flop opens us up to flop check/raises as well as flop calls + turn donks.
My first point was with regards to your claim that betting the flop ensures the cheapest way to get to the river; it doesn't, checking back the flop is far superior in this regards. I'm not necessarily stating that's what we need to do; I'm just saying that's the best way to ensure getting to the river for the cheapest (if that's our goal, which admittedly it might not be).
I have no idea what your last comment is about. When we check back the flop, that opens up all sorts of opportunities for our opponent to bet worse (thinking they are best) or flat out bluff. That's a good thing, right?
As played, I like calling the turn bet as opposed to raising. This being I don't want to have to fold to a 3-bet shove from villain as it will seldom be a semi-bluff at these stakes.
But I am shocked at the check flop, we should almost always be betting here with most our hands, excluding maybe A10. You are going to get called by pair plus straight draws, straight & flush draws all day long. IMO you should be charging these hands. Barrel turn when 7c comes, can't say what to do on river because result is not shown.
Let me know if my thoughts help & are valid in the forum's opinion.
