Deep 1/3 (chip leader ~$1800), towards the end of the night, table was most likely going to break soon.

-Game had been going on for about 3 hours. Chip leader (UTG) making lots of big raises and spewy in general
-V has only been seen made big bets/shove with nuts or 2nd nuts in past 3 hours (i.e. V1 previously led $100 from OOP into a $30 pot with a straight (4 cards on board) vs. Hero).

HJ (Hero, $700): Young AM, nit/TAG, low-stakes player. Minor history with V.
LJ ($1,000): Irrelevant in this hand
SB ($400): Young WM, aggressive fish, not a very good player.
BB (V, $370): Young AM, gives off the impression he is spewy (likes to make people think he is loose) but is quite a competent player.

Preflop:
Straddle on to $6
Folds to LJ, LJ calls $6
Hero (KQ) calls
SB calls.
V raises to $28
Hero calls, LJ calls, SB calls

Flop($113): KK7
SB leads $20
V calls $20
LJ folds
Hero raises to $80
SB folds, V calls

Turn($293): KK7A
V all-in $262

Hero action?

Questions:
1. In retrospect, I hate Hero's call pre. I think raise or fold is better.
2. Is there any justification in flat calling turn instead of raising?

Thoughts:
1. My hand seems very strong from an absolute point of view (second best trips, redraw to nut flush so it feels like a must call.
2. However, between the board and my hand, we block lots of hands on the turn (i.e. AQh, QhQx, QhJh, QhTh, etc.).
3. I obviously lose to: AK, 77, AA, K7, JhTh (difficult to imagine he could have any other flush here.
4. Unless the bet is absolute spew (i.e. JJ, TT), I beat KQ (freeroll), KJ, and what else? A7?
5. However, if he had a fullhouse/flush on the turn, would he really open-ship? Is he putting me on a flush and hoping I call his made fullhouse?
6. What kind of hand calls SB, overcalls Hero, then open ships that isn't value?

Interested to hear everybody's thoughts.

Thanks.

I think calling is fine pre, it’s a single raises pot not a 3 bet pot. However, you probably shouldn’t call 6, KQ is a hand that plays well heads up not a hand that plays well multi-way so I would raise large.

And the V “gives the impression he is spewy?” So he has a wide range? What are you saying? I’m never folding this hand, it sucks if he beat you but oh well.

So call $3 if unraised and if it's only folded around to me?

Pretends he is spewey is more accurate. He likes to talk people into calling him when he has the nuts.

Overlimping KQo is pretty bad, I think. Just raise it up in late position.

As played, I am calling the turn. You might be beat. He doesn't have many bluffs, as you recognize, but he also doesn't have a lot of hands that beat you. You said he pretends to be spewy. Could he just be spewing here? I've seen some bad players make bluffs on scary boards. He could have some KT and or QxJh. It is 1-3, after all.

I meant I would be the original raiser with hands like AK, KQ, and such to a size that I’m likely to go heads up, so probably a raise to 30 or 35 given the straddle. If we take it down pre great, if we get 3 bet then we have a decision to make.

There are not many hands that make a ton of sense and are consistent with each of villain's actions, except maybe 77. With other hands you have varying degrees of disbelief that he would raise preflop (JT, KJx), donk-shove turn (AA, AK), or play it postflop this way (QQ and worse). Still, you are ahead or drawing live against much of the range that partially makes sense, so I'd call the turn.

Preflop I'd tend to raise and flop I might raise more, but hey this whole hand is played in an interesting manner by all.

Yes, I really don't like that I called pre (both initial call and overcall) - I don't usually do that. I think it being late in the night and that I was ready to go home made me want to see a flop for cheap.

What do you think his range is and what is my equity against it?

Raise pre. What's not to love? $15 in pot already. We have premium holding and decent postition.

Agreed.

As played, can I call it off on the turn?

Btw, I've been reading some of your other posts - I like your thought processes.

The odd thing about this hand is when the Ah hits, it should remove a lot of your semi-bluff raises and means that you are heavily weighted towards a K or 7s full, and your opponent should know this and yet he still jams.

Against some opponents it might be better to fold; however, against this opponent i think you have to call.

You need to win 262/(262+262+293)=32% of the time to break even. I think you are getting 32%.

You mentioned he liked to talk to people when he had the nuts, was he talking here?

Ya, I am never folding here. I don't understand the lead bomb on turn. We have equity vs flushes and don't see him playing AK in this manner. Plus we are only 125BB deep. Gonna double him up quite often, but can't find a fold.

But I run into a lot of spazz here because I am a lag. Not sure how often guys are trying to run over nits in this spot

Just remembered we have Qh. I am actually excited to get it in now. Take my beats vs AA, AK, and 77.

It's funny you say that - I actually question the call because I have the Qh.

What worse hands can he really have? JhTh if he raised it out of the BB pre. Vs. a made flush, I have a favorable price to call.

Also, if my image is nit/TAG, then my hand is extremely face-up - I basically announced to the world that I had a K on the flop. I should have no worse than KT in that spot - he's basically saying he can beat KT, which leaves KJ as the only other hand I can beat, no?

He seemed pretty comfortable, but I didn't try to talk to him - it's not my strongsuit, so I avoid doing it - I would probably end up making the wrong decision if I tried to incorporate speechplay into my game

I used to think this was an auto-raise preflop but now that I've slowly realized I almost never want to play a big pot with this hand, especially at loose tables where a raise is unlikely to thin the field, I'm actually sorta cool with our LP overlimp.

I just fold to the preflop raise. KQo is a pretty meh hand to take up against a competent player who is raising OOP out-of-the-blinds after 3 limpers with only a 62bb stack for a rather large ~8% of his stack.

Not really a fan of our flop raise. Even though it's a small donk I'm not ready to play for stacks yet (especially against main Villain) and meanwhile I don't want him to fold everything we crush. I'm hating life when the bad player folds and the competent preflop raiser calls on this board.

I'd fold to the turn bet. Yeah, I'm not exactly sure why he'd bet so much $$$-wise (even though it's < PSB) if he did have a fullhouse (although there are arguments for doing so), but there's pretty much zero bluffs that have busted and so very little worse value hands that would do this (KJ, really?). Seems like we're calling for a chop at absolute best / suck out.

I actually think our first instinct of overlimping this hand was correct in the sense of how overvalued it can be (not to say there aren't arguments for raising it), and yet every action we took afterwards went against that initial instinct.

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I raised flop, really expecting SB to call with a worse K, non-believing 7, 88-TT, and heart draw. I expected BB to fold, given flop action.

My plan clearly blew up.

looks like V has medium strength flush. we are almost getting direct to call. but since the open ship looks bluffy, I am snapping this all day.

this, it's very important to raise this hand preflop rather than limp behind

tough spot because I don't see villains having many flushes when they raise large out of the BB and the A K and Q of hearts are blocked, he is repping AK or AA here

this is a wierd hand with the SB calling twice pre and leading small, feels like if anyone had a flush draw it was him, but perhaps he just had a 7 which might make the situation even worse

I hate to say fold here but....

Qh is only blocking 2 or 3 combos of flushes he is raising BB. Possibly only 1 combo.

I am not folding here. But losing 100+ BB doesn't effect me. Nits are profitable because they are tight, And don't gamble. I can understand a fold here from a nit.

But if I had to guess, this is a made flush. Why on earth would you take this line with 77 or AK. Either way. I will gain valuable information. And likely be able to make adjustments in future hands.

From postflop play, that's the best match, but then he'd have to be raising pre from OOP with JThh, J9hh, T9hh, 98hh, 65hh. I guess that's not hard to imagine from the read provided.

I know a guy who would raise suited connector's in this spot

OP,

Please stop calling yourself a Tag. The "T" stands for tight. "AG" stands for aggresive. Limping KQo in late position after a straddle and limp. Is super passive. Not sure I know any solid winners that would take that approach.

I'm really struggling to construct villain's hand here.

The turn betting is consistent with a flush, but how many flushes are in his hand that raise pre given KH AH are out and you hold QH; I guess JhTh

I think boats check on the turn or bet small, rather than jam. They want the naked Qh or JH to come along.

I think I sigh call this off, particularly given we have some outs to a made flush.

i don't think he has any flush draws in his range at all

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Please stop calling yourself a Tag. The "T" stands for tight. "AG" stands for aggresive. Limping KQo in late position after a straddle and limp. Is super passive. Not sure I know any solid winners that would take that approach.

this is a cool spot post flop and very interesting but you have to raise your K high hands pre flop, there is mathematical reason for it involving the small blind whom you do not want to be able to complete (in this case it's the BB, plus the straddle has an option so it's probably even more important to raise pre and never ever limp behind)

anyway, that's probably the most important advice, i like folding here as played but calling is the correct play, just a cooler really if you are no good, it's way too risky to fold top trips top kicker with NFD getting 2:1

If villain is solid player, there is $24 in pot. A random hand in straddle and 2 limps. I would be raising super wide here, even OOP.

So j-10, 10-9, 89,87,67,j9,j8,108,97. maybe even more would be in my raising range. Playing against two passive players. OOP with hand that hits a lot of flops.

Rest of hand makes a lot of sense for him to have Kx, or alot flush draws.

Turn bet is very confusing. See a lot of bad aggro players shove here for fold equity. Also see other players shove because they are scared.

Still my guess, this guy is doing both. He has flush and doesn't want you to peel another card.