4th hand into a must move table. Hero has been running like a god. Young, hoodie and basketball shorts but super talkative to the table.

Utg1 $110: Talkative white guy who's been making crude jokes since he say down. The tables annoyed with him. I think he's hilarious. I've got a ton of history with him and he's by far the easiest person to play against. He only raises the top 10% of his range and limps everything else. The hand an orbit (he was at a must move table with me) before he open limp 5h8h and then checked it down with a player to show his garbage.

Utg2 $170 : Asain, mid twenties. No history

Hero $1000.

Utg1 limps, utg2 limps,

Hero raises $18. (Standard raise is $12 +3 per limper) MP KdQd

All folds to UTG who calls UTG2 who calls,

Pot: $58

Ks 2d 7d

Both Utg and Utg2 check to me. Because I've got this board crushed... Would checking here be wrong? Should I toss 1/4 bet in... I'm curious as to what the optimal line would be.

Thank you as always.

Bet small. 20. Builds pot. Any K or 7 is coming along. Diamonds also. And the small c-bet makes it look like a whiff.

Lay down the hammer ott.

What?!? Not bet?!? You couldn't stop me from shoveling money into this pot fast enough. The problem with slow playing is that it doesn't allow you to build a pot and if any scare cards hit it could kill your action.

In general, the only time you should slow play is when you flop a virtually unbeatable hand and your opponents can't have much. Here your opponents could easily have a King or a flush draw so start betting as much as you expect they would call with those type of hands.

You want to get value from worse pairs and other diamond draws. Though your hand is strong it is not strong enough to warrant a "slow play", just bet for value. If you get raised you're gonna have some tough decisions to make.

"If you get raised you have some tough decisions to make".

Man, some of the stuff you guys say...

Op i check here vs good players sometimes cause you make so much money on flushcards. But vs these villains just bet and hope to get raised

Hmm.. I didn't see their stack sizes were so small but say the asian c/r you AI you're saying you snap this 100% of the time?

With these stack sizes this is literally never a fold unless someone donks all in, and Im shown the turn card ahead of time, and its a random blank (non KQ, non diamond), and Im literally shown my opponents hole cards and they are a set.

Thats literally the only way I'm folding here.

Bet $25, any raises, shove.
Anyone calls, bet $55 on most turn cards.
Ship most rivers.

Never ever checking this board. Get some money in while you can. And how are you possibly "running like god" when you have 60 bb???

Hero has over 300 bbs.

As for whether to fold you should definitely be betting and never folding. Your equity is really good here and villains range includes flush draws.

Oh right. nm, misread OP.

Bet out $22-27 as a 'standard' c-bet. They are either interested or not in a board like this. If the Turn is a huge blank I might then check it through to allow for River bluff/improved hand but I am making them pay for their first card.

If they both call then you have to pound Turn to imply stacks are going in if checked to again.

How did you get such a stack in 3 hands? This could be a reason to check the Flop here if they 'think' you are on fire. I still don't like to give anyone a free Turn, maybe River. GL

I wouldn't bet too small. If you would normally cbet 2/3 pot, then the smallest I'd go is 1/2 pot. You don't want to have a tell here.

I don't think checking this flop is bad at all though. Its not a bad flop to "delay c-bet" here.

I probably bet though.

$35-45 flop, slow playing is a bad idea and missed a lot of value. If they have 88-JJ are they folding flop? Probably not. If they have 88 and turn is any T through A they might give up. Kx and FDs aren't folding either.

So, there are times that slow playing is advisable:

We have such a strong hand, that the possible range of hands that we can get value from is very small (or almost non existent).; We stand to make more money by letting more of their range 'catch up' to a second best hand that is still worse than ours, thereby extracting more value out of them later. This might be the case on a AA5 board when we know (based on some pre flop sizing, tells, or reads) our opponent has some SC type hand and we have AA.

Another reason: We feel that our V is more likely to give us more money on later streets because he will read out flop check as weak. He is very aggressive, and may pounce on our perceived weakness and bet/raise later streets where if we just bet he may fold, or call a single street. We check top set because we know that a V will raise an turn bet we make, and barrel the river allowing us to get in 3 streets of value instead of the 1 or two that we might get if we bet the flop and bet the turn/river.

Neither of these is the case in this hand.
Our hand is not strong enough that we want to give people free cards. Any two pair can beat us, and if they improve to two pair, we are only ~25% to redraw on the river. There is very little second best hand that someone can improve to here that is still behind us, and that won't call a bet on the flop anyway. For example, sure a flush draw might improve to a flush draw + pair on the turn, but those same hands will call a bet on the flop anyway.
Also, there is a wide range of second best hand that can call best here that we can get value from. Flush draws, pp's, and KX to name some.

Grunch

I think the optimal line it to bet/bet/bet. You have other most other Kx hands and XdXd hands crushed. Both of those types of hands will call bets. Start building the pot now.

grunch: bet. you may have flopped the universe but you didn't crush the deck that bad, perfect spot to bet. checking seems silly to me

Checking flop will result in a black ace on the turn to spite you for your slowplaying sins.

You can bet $32 and then shove most turns. No need to slow play in position multi-way.

Why not check?

From NLHE Theory and Practice
"... You have a hand of some value, should you check it or should you take a stab at the pot"

So it goes the higher value your draw has, in this case K high draw is pretty high, the higher the EV of checking.

Or is it that because in this case he's hit Top pair and therefore should bet? I would think a bet is good cause the villians stacks are quite tiny.

You can't win money by checking.

Checking is crazy. It's not like you have AA on a A82 rainbow board. There's so much you can get value from. I'd bet on the smaller side like 1/2 pot

That's not true. You may not win money now, but you may win more on later streets

but you won't

monster made hands that crush the deck are the hands to think about slow-playing, like holding pocket 9s and flopping 922r. holding TPGK with a 2nd nfd is the ideal spot to bet, slow-playing is just plain wrong unless you're on some levelling shiz with your opposition

FPS. Just bet FFS.