Hero (~700€) new at the table.
V1 ~600€
V2 covers everybody
V3 (~800€) huge spewtard. I have played a lot with him. Doesnt like to fold pre or postflop.

V3 straddles utg and begs hero to restraddle so hero restraddles to 12. V1 raises in mp to 40, V2 calls otb, V3 calls, hero calls with QJ.

Flop (164) T28
V1 bets 80, V2 calls, V3 calls, hero?

Rip flop, never in bad shape with fd + gutter + two overs

Yolo

4th hand of yours I've responded to this morning. All 4 we've ended up OOP in a raised / bloated pot. Noticing a pattern? It's not a good one.

I obviously don't double straddle.

I fold preflop. We're OOP with a speculative hand that will make very few nut hands. Unless our opponents are super terrible, I highly doubt this spot is profitable.

I'd probably check / rip it in on the flop. We have some overs + flush draw + gutshot, so should have decent equity against most. Pot is huge and worth winning relative to stacks. We'd love to fold out some hands to cleanup outs against anyone who manages a call.

GcluelessNLnoobG

We’re in TERRIBLE shape if you combine V1s likely overpair and any other V with AhXh.


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The only reason you see a pattern is because oop you have more difficult decisions compared to being ip therefore i post more hands where im oop. But that doesnt mean that i play more or too many hands oop.

You just double straddled (you're going to end up in position a lot here?).

You just called a preflop raise.

Gyou'replayingtoomanyhandsOOP,imoG

Obv i didnt refer to this hand and i wont fold QJs having position on a spewtard and being deep with him.

Straddling is sometimes really good for the game even tho u dont like it, dont do it and maybe dont believe it.

GG would you consider this table to be full of donkeys with the triple straddling going on?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIDcq07jndE

somehow i doubt dwan, robl, etc are donkeys.

My bad, I keep forgetting we are so much better than our opponents and can basically play whatever we want from whatever position for whatever price.

Gasyouwere,obviouslyG

cant speak for you, but i think for most on this site this is true.

besides you missed the point. straddling is worth it if it opens up the game and turns it from tight passive to loose passive and juiceball.

Tough spot, normally I press combo draws pretty hard because anytime you pressure the other guy with a flip and they fold its massive +ev and if they call it's netural ev.

However...with a bet and 2 calls we have to be worried about Ahxh or possibly just another flush draw that is killing our outs.

If you had j8 of hearts here this would be a dream spot and I would rip it. As you are comfortably ahead of nut flush draws and still fairly live against overpairs.

The pot is now 400 and you are closing the action to call 80. You are getting direct odds to just call here so i'm just going to call. I'm folding to further action unless I improve on the turn. I expect the turn to check through alot of the time with this many interested players unless the turn is a total brick.

I might check fold if I hit flush on the turn and I see aggressive action from other players. Depending on how wide those player ranges are preflop for a 40$ raise. If it's a spewy player that can show up with 56s then obviously never folding but if it's an OMC type then i'm just letting it go.

If you rip it in and the initial raiser calls no one is going to fold a nut flush draw behind getting those odds. If the initial raiser folds, you might squeak it through.

One of the reasons we're so much better than our opponents is because we typically attempt to play in position (even though I'm fully aware that isn't always possible, so maybe simply "more than they do" will be good enough).

And my guess is that the chances of the juiceness of this game hinging on whether OP double straddles this particular hand or not is virtually 0%.

GcluelessactiongamenoobG

Zero chance in hell you should call the flop to hit the 3rd nut flush and then fold after you do

So you are really folding this pre? Ill fully admit im working on my game but i do kinda feel like this is exactly the kind of hand i wanna be in a potential big pot with

you know this how? my own 1/2 game is typically tight passive with 70 year old men exchanging $10 pots until someone does something like this.

And you somehow think those game conditions are going to change cuz someone double straddles?

GcluelessgameconditionsnoobG

First, I wouldn't double straddle.

And yes, I fold QJs in EP. If you're in a good game that's probably nitty and I won't hate on attempting to get into a pot for cheap. And of course if you're a superstar, do whatever you want. I'll let you evaluate how much of a superstar you are.

But here thanks to our double straddle and the raise, a call will create an SPR pot of lol 4. You're simply doing things wrong if you're constantly ending up in SPR lol 4 pots with speculative hands OOP (even though I realize our IO closing the action were actually okish). Heck, here we even flopped about as good as we're gonna flop and we're still not even thrilled about getting things in due to few nut outs.

Gwhere'stherecipricality?whatareyoudoingdifferentl ythanyouropponents?G

i just told you they do

either you don't read well, or you're trolling.

Or I'm simply not buying that a bunch of OMCs suddenly lose their mind just cuz one guy in the game puts on a straddle? But whatever, if that's your game, that's your game. I'll let OP decide the likelihood of this game going into the muck when he politely declines / lols off the double straddle request.

GcluelessgameconditionsnoobG

when it starts becoming frequently straddle/double straddled, yes the game becomes much looser and even the OMCs play more hands (just as passively).

yesyouarecluelessaboutgamedynamics

Even in that total disaster where both have that and find an all-in call (I can see the draw dumping with players behind or the overpair easily folding) we still have 13 percent equity with our straight and two pair/trips draw. That’s nearly half of the 33% we need to break even and we also have massively profitable fold equity here. A free 4/7 of our stack without having to race is huge and I estimate we get it through about 2/3 of the time to be honest.