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1/3: Cbetting JJ because I'm afraid to get bluffed off on later streets? 1/3: Cbetting JJ because I'm afraid to get bluffed off on later streets?

05-20-2016 , 05:40 AM
V ($300) is in BB and is kinda loose preflop, sometimes tricky, sometimes laggy, loves to call my raises pre and try to outflop me even though he knows I'm tight.

History hand with V: I raise $15 T9cc utg 6 handed, V calls in MP, I cbet 1/2p A83r, he calls (obv), turn is another A and he folds to my 1/2p db. I don't know why I was double-barreling with a SDV hand but I suffer a syndrome called "if I check, he's going to bluff me later" vs this player. So I didn't want to look like an idiot calling his 3/4p bet OTR and lose to Ax.

I 3bet someone in the very previous hand and my cbet got through.

Next hand, Hero picks up JJ otb, straddle $6, 2 callers, Hero 3bets again to $35, only V calls in BB

Flop (~$90): KT2
V checks, Hero ?

I don't know what to do here, but if I check back, I'm afraid he bets his 98s OTT and might empty the clip OTR leaving me clueless. I bet $55, he calls. I put him on Kx, SDs, FDs most likely.

Turn (~200): 4
V checks, Hero checks (Didn't wanna get c/shoved on although I knew a river bet was coming)

River (~$200): 3
V bets $80, Hero ?

Bad river for me but maybe he's bluffing a missed SD? His bet looks so valuey tho. Wouldn't he just shove with his missed AQ/AJ/QJ or something?

Flop and turn line check?
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05-20-2016 , 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 6betfold
I don't know why I was double-barreling with a SDV hand...
I don't know why you would think you have SDV.

In the HH, the issue is what you're doing on the turn. You say you're afraid of being put in a tough spot, but then you choose the move that helps him do that. You also give him a range that is mostly trailing you, then he blanks, then you give him a free card. OTT, if you're not giving up on the hand, bet.
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05-20-2016 , 07:37 AM
Imo there are two ways how to play. First is check flop then call (or bet) turn and check back river/fold river.
Second is bet flop and turn with cca 1/2 pot size and check back/fold river.

Prefer the former cos many his bluffs have nut FD and our hand does not stand c/r flop.
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05-20-2016 , 08:20 AM
If this is a regular opponent who you play against often, you may want to consider trying to slow him down by establishing that you can check behind on this sort of flop with top pair and wait for him to bluff.
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05-20-2016 , 08:47 AM
That is not a great flop for JJ. I'd check the flop to get to a river showdown as cheaply as possible. He's going to call with a significant portion of his range. Only worse pp and missed Axs/sc hands will fold, which you're already well ahead of. A lot of broadway hands will call. You block a lot of QJ combos and Axhh. There are fewer draws out there than usual. I think pot control and eliminating a street of betting is more important than getting value from draws and Tx.

I like the turn check back. I call the river bet. 3.5:1 odds are pretty good. You only need to win about 22% of the time. There are enough missed straight draws and Tx/99 type hands that bluff hearts. It does look like a value bet. I think curiosity would get the better of me and I'd call.

I really like your double barrel in the first hand. A-high dry flops are great boards to double barrel.
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05-20-2016 , 09:00 AM
If you are afraid to get bluffed, then that means you believe he has a high frequency of bluffing you. So you strap them on and you induce his bluffs and you call.
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05-20-2016 , 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by AsianNit
If this is a regular opponent who you play against often, you may want to consider trying to slow him down by establishing that you can check behind on this sort of flop with top pair and wait for him to bluff.
+1. Great comment
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05-20-2016 , 09:11 AM
Agree that letting this guy bluff is a good idea. Call him down when you have SDV (which you didn't have in the first hand). Let him bluff, but don't chicken out.

This hand was played OK, and I definitely call river. You should start paying very close attention to his bet sizes and what he shows down so you know when he is being valuey and when he's bluffing.
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05-20-2016 , 09:15 AM
I think this is an ok spot to turn JJ into a bluff and raise this river. The only thing that bothers me is that he doesn't have much left.

How many flushes are in his range realistically on this river? AQhh and maybe A9hh? His bet size on the river is odd for the nuts so I'm discounting the flushes heavily.

Given our line, we could have several flushes here. Villains bet is also sized like a blocking bet.

He's not betting Tx thin for value so we are losing to his bet/fold range.

He only has $130 left. I'm still tempted to jam here. Definitely if he started with $400+
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05-20-2016 , 10:42 AM
Yeah we should definitely be trying to induce with our mediumish to high strength hands like TP. This flop is definitely one I'm checking back. If we notice, we have two jacks and one heart. That greatly limits the drawing hands that he could have. Moves him closer to pair type of hands.

The problem also with our flop bet is that all of a sudden villain has a $210 stack left and the pot is $200. We can't realistically bet as a bluff and the pot has gotten too big for our hand. The turn check is good.

River I think is just a snap call. We don't have to be good that often. While his bet does look a bit valuey, we have to remember what we have. Is this villain good enough to thin value bet a K on this river? He shouldn't have many, if any, two pairs in his range or sets. Us holding the Jh also takes away a good portion of his flushes. AJ/QJ/J9/J8/J7 of hearts are impossible for him to have. Given the description you gave, I'm calling because I don't believe your average 1/3 reg will be value betting a naked K here.
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05-20-2016 , 11:31 AM
Nice preflop raise getting in 10% of stacks so we can easily stack off if we flop an overpair. Also narrowed the field to HU in position with initiative, nice.

I would also bet smallish on this flop. There is a decent chance our hand is good so we're simply protecting our equity. We can get called by worse (draws, Tx, air that might play back later). The only potential problem is that we may get check/raised by an aggro player putting us to the test, but I wouldn't think that would happen much on this board (which there is a good chance we've smashed).

I'm cool with the turn check back, especially against an aggro player who will now most likely put us on busted AJ/AQ/etc. and bluff his missed draw/etc. on the river.

Ug, kinda gross river. Bet certainly looks valuey. We're getting decent odds. He could be betting other whiffed draws (although those combos are limited since we hold some of those cards). He might even just be betting a K for value. Tough spot, I wouldn't fault a call or a fold, leaning towards a call if this guy bets a bunch of spots like this with air.

ETA: I'm ok with the idea of checking back the flop as well, but I'd probably more lean towards that with a less vulnerable hand (perhaps QQ).

Gnicehand,imoG
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05-20-2016 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by scrybe
I think this is an ok spot to turn JJ into a bluff and raise this river. The only thing that bothers me is that he doesn't have much left.

How many flushes are in his range realistically on this river? AQhh and maybe A9hh? His bet size on the river is odd for the nuts so I'm discounting the flushes heavily.

Given our line, we could have several flushes here. Villains bet is also sized like a blocking bet.

He's not betting Tx thin for value so we are losing to his bet/fold range.

He only has $130 left. I'm still tempted to jam here. Definitely if he started with $400+
Nah....3bet pot right? Or did OP just say that from straddle raise? Either way his line is strong and he stacks off AK and KQ a lot here.
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05-20-2016 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Nice preflop raise getting in 10% of stacks so we can easily stack off if we flop an overpair. Also narrowed the field to HU in position with initiative, nice.

I would also bet smallish on this flop.

Gnicehand,imoG
+1

Yeah 40 does the same job that 55 does....as played I'm almost playing it same way you are, bet flop, check back turn, happy to fold river.
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05-20-2016 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenChipPoker
Nah....3bet pot right? Or did OP just say that from straddle raise? Either way his line is strong and he stacks off AK and KQ a lot here.
I read the preflop action as UTG straddles to 6, 2 callers and we raise to $35 total from the button, then BB chooses to call $32 more. No 3bet.

I don't think his line is super strong. He flats a button raise in a straddle pot, check calls the flop and checks turn. That screams medium strength.

He's short stacked. I'd expect him to try to get it in on flop with KQ, AK or even NFDs.

Weak Kx makes up a good part of his range on the river. OP, is he capable of folding a weaker K here?
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05-20-2016 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 6betfold
History hand with V: I raise $15 T9cc utg 6 handed, V calls in MP, I cbet 1/2p A83r, he calls (obv), turn is another A and he folds to my 1/2p db. I don't know why I was double-barreling with a SDV hand...
Also... what?
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05-20-2016 , 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by scrybe
Also... what?


Sorry, the flop was A93r and not A83r.
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05-20-2016 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by scrybe
Weak Kx makes up a good part of his range on the river. OP, is he capable of folding a weaker K here?

He's definitely capable of folding but I'm not sure because of my turn check and his stack size.
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