1/3 500 cap 300 max bet 4 raises per street

V (400) 40s white guy watching videos on his Phone just sat down 30 minutes ago at one point played like 3 hands in a row called preflop flop and turn to fold river. He showed down raising 2nd pair on turn after flop checked through. In another hand he min 3bet to bet big on rag flop with a presumed overpair.

400 effective Limp pot 5 ways I check bb with A3

Flop T 5 3 (15) Check yo button who 15 I 50 next to act only button calls

Turn A(115)

What do you think about lead vs check raise vs check call on flop? I really struggle to define my ranges and play multi-way limped pots in the bb because my range is so wide. So knowing how much to bluff and when to check raise vs lead is quite confusing for me. I’m treating the paired 3 as a combo draw to flush, trips or two pair so I go for the check raise because I’m probably behind right now. Or is it better to just flat and encourage dominated callers behind? And as played what to do on turn?

Bet the turn for sure. As for flop, you can't really do anything too wrong that seems reasonable.

I'm fine with preflop.

I probably lean to simply donking the flop for value and building a pot. Not sure I'm in love with a check/raise in a small pot that leaves us OOP.

Turn is pretty opponent dependent for me. Against calling stations, I lean to betting. Against a guy who raised 2nd pair on the turn, I might start turning my hand into a bluffcatcher on this "scary" looking card and check hoping to induce.

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OTF: You could effectively have any of the possible nut hands here, except probably TT (55, 33, T5, T3, 53), but your range is nearly the entire deck, so the proportion of value to junk is astronomically small. I'm checking this flop. This isn't really a drawing hand, and it's not a premium hand. You have a marginal pair against 4 opponents. You might as well draw.

OTT: I am check-raising here. The A doesn't get anywhere near the BB range, and against 4 opponents, someone may have something and decide to bet. My play will depend on who bets. If it's someone early, I will probably raise big because an early position bettor will more likely have a hand, whereas a late position bettor may just be trying to steal.

I think you misread the hand I did check but button bet flop and I check raised and he called so we are heads up on the turn.

OK. You missed my point. I would not raise here. I would just call and draw. Raising reopens betting and risks getting blown off your hand.

I’d rather bet / jam this hand. We have tons of equity so we like building a pot, and sometimes, someone has a hand like Q5 that they aren’t willing to continue with, so we clean our showdown value a bit. If someone raises, we have more than enough equity to try and jam their face in for the times that they have JT and want to “see where they are at”


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Are you really folding the flop vs. this guy?

Flop is fine to me. If he'll bet turn, check/raise again. If there's any chance he's letting it check through, just bet.

If I wasn't sure, I'd just lead the turn myself. You did just check/raise the flop.

The only good thing about checking is that he might think you are scared of the A.

So, I can go either way It's a table read.

I bet 100$ and he calls

River 2 (315)

Action is on me he has like 250 behind

I would typically like raising flop but call is fine. Against this villain I like leading turn.

I really don't like our flop raise.

A big part of our hand's value is the ability to stack lower flushes. Raising just pushes them out of the pot and in a 6-way limped pot it's very possible someone has two spades as well. I'd much rather raise something like 73ss.

Betting turn for sure. He can all sorts of hands that are behind now and if we're somehow behind we have tons of equity.

River is a gross card. I'd x/decide.

Hero?

Do. Not. Check-raise. Flop. We do not want to blow out smaller flush draws.

River is going to be read-dependent. The board is a one-liner to a four. Two pair is fairly unlikely unlikely unless it is A-X, and we have the second worst aces up. Is the villain betting A2 here? Would they have played A2 this way before the river?

What's the best value hand the villain can have that we beat? AX that peeled when you checkraised the flop? Something like JT or QT? Would they even bet those given that you blasted them on the flop and turn?

Unless the villain has total button-clicky spazz bluffs in their range, I think this is a fold.

Bet river.

Yea with the As I think I like betting river. As played it’s a pretty crappy spot. I think he’s gonna have a lot of AT here, 46 is still possible. Maybe some spades draws with a 4. 40’s rec watching movies on his phone makes me want to fold but I don’t hate a call. I think it’s very very unlikely V is ever going for value with a T here.

I also think Bostick’s point about not blowing smaller flush draws off their hand on the flop has merit, but button isn’t likely folding a flush draw on the flop and I generally don’t love playing around people who haven’t shown any interest in the pot yet.

I want to bet the river, but I'm not sure what worse hand is calling. This guy actually might take a stab at it if you check, so that's what I might do: check/call. (He bet second pair when checked to on turn.)

I'd rather bet here if I didn't have the As, because that means he can't be on an A-high flush draw and sigh call with a pair of Aces.

It wasn't my point; it was krilleater's.