Hero is 22 years old and just sat down at table. Sitting with $200 and has not played a hand.

villain is older black man dressed plainly and in a hat. no other reads but he is definitely a reg as I've seen him at the casino quite a bit, just never played with him. he covers hero

PF: EP limp, villain limps, CO limps, hero checks in bb with Q8

flop: AQ8 (11)

Hero leads for 8. EP (older woman sitting with about $180) calls. villain raises to 25.

I'm a bit confused as to what to do here, but at the time I did not want to see the turn 3 ways as I felt there were a lot cards that would hurt my hand.

Hero raises to $75. EP folds and the villain pretty much insta shoves

Hero?

I would not 3! the flop. You're crushed by better two pair, slightly behind AdXd, and barely flipping combo draws. Bottom two is looking precarious. I would call the flop raise and evaluate the turn.

I understand the logic for the raise on this flop, but I don't like it on this board. Too many combo draws or nut flush draws in villain's range that will be willing to get it in, plus the occasional set of 8s. I would rather flat the flop and see what happens on turn. If it's 3 ways to the turn and you get a bad card you can easily check/fold without losing too much and if opponents didn't hit you might get a cheap river because opponents could fear a check/raise. If you do get a safe turn you can bet with a lot more equity vs the draws.

As played, I would fold to the shove. Unless villain is on some spazz bluff you are never better then barely ahead and often slightly behind a good draw, add in the risk villain has AQ/A8/88 and this doesn't look like a good situation.

I guess it's possible he has some other Ax kind of hand... Maybe.

I think the correct play is to call rather than 3! and re-evaluate on the turn. There's a bunch of turn cards we don't want to see and we can check fold if he bets the turn hard.

As played I think we fold.


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I think a majority of his range is combo draws.... 10 j diamonds, Ace x diamonds etc. me personally the nitty move is to just call flop and if no diamond comes which will increase your equaty dramatically against those types of hands. Put all the pressure on the turn. its possible he could have limped in with ace queen in this spot so with out any reads I do not think your raise is profitable. just calling on the flop i agree is the right play.

and after raising to 75 i think you have to call, however I would not have done that in the first place.... your raise to 75 is pretty much saying im fine getting all in which you should be . folding after raising to 75 is a huge mistake

Its a call. You have to put in another 125 to win about 420. So you need about 30% equity.... If you give V a range of suited Ax + A8 + Q8 + 88 - your hand has 36% equity
Equity Win Tie
MP2 36.13% 28.23% 7.89% Qs8h
MP3 63.87% 55.98% 7.89% 88, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, Ad2d, A8o, Q8o

66 bb's? Bottom two? Wet board? All-in.

Preflop looks obvious.

I would also just lead out on the flop on this drawy board and hope to start getting called down by draws / Ax / etc.

I would seriously consider nit folding to the initial flop raise. Dude has seen a donker and a caller and decides his hand is now good enough to start playing for stacks; most regs don't decide to do this in an aggro fashion with just TP. It's possible we're facing a monster draw, and a lot of people (but not all) would raise AQ preflop (thus limiting the number of combos that are ahead of us), but otherwise, meh. The "don't go broke in a limped pot" applies to bottom two pair, imo.

As played, we really already made our commitment decision when we reraised to almost half our stack (which was probably a mistake). I'm not sure which is more of a mistake now: following thru with it (which I probably would) or folding now.

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thanks guys. i agree with those who said i should not have 3bet the flop as i think this is an overplay and likely only getting called/shoved on by hands that have us crushed and some draws which have decent equity against us. it turned out that the villain had 88 and i couldnt bink the 2-outer