Hero300) Reg.
V1300) early 20s Asian, dont have a ton of reads on him but I know he's not playing standard abc poker, his sizings are strange both pre and post and he clearly doesn't adjust for position, plays more like ur buddy Phil in a home game that's never read a poker book and wants to get away from the wife for a night and lose $10 with friends.

Preflop: 1 limp,V1 limp, Hero goes 15 in CO AQ, BB calls,V1 calls 3way flop.

Flop~45) QJ4 BB checks, V1 donks 15, Hero raises to 40,BB folds, V1 min raises to 80???

Soooo weird, my first thought is that he limped pre so this screams QJ or 44, but he also is so rec that he might just have top pair and thinks he's got the nachos? I mean small donk bet, min raising is NEVER a bluff here so we can rule that out. What's ur move here!?

Also no idea how those smileys got in there but I'm leaving em

I'd call and see what he does OTT. He seems to like to bet small so I'd call down. I'd likely fold to a big bet though.

Ask him to explain why he raised. He sounds like a nice enough guy.

This was the exact convo I had with a friend, he gave me that advice and I told him if the turn bricks and he bets big and your folding why are you calling flop? If A or Q hits turn and he shoves AI are you calling? It's super important to have a plan a few streets down in a spot like this and I knew if he raised flop he's likely leading the turn which I'm probably folding. So that felt like a waste of 40 to me. It's a pretty clear WA/WB situation.

Yeah... even if he's only half aware he has to figure that your pf raise and your flop rerai means you have you have at least OverPair+ (okay ....AQ+). And to raise you back after that - he's strongly representing 2p+.

No doubt there is some chance hes on OESD or overplayed TP. But if he overvalues that on the flop - he may welldo the same on the turn/river.

Fold and chat him up after.

We're calling because he's a fish, his play is erratic and we want to see the turn and gather more info. Maybe he has KQ or AJ or is overvaluing QT. Maybe he's clicking buttons right now but he'll check turn. He's a fish so just because he's reraising now doesn't mean there's gonna be a turn bet. If he bets again, let's see how he sizes it.

I'm just not going to fold for another $40 IP vs this type of player. I want him to make another decision OTT and go from there.

Folding here and feeling fine about it. I don't think your lack of reads + sizing quirks and your feeling that he doesn't play "standard poker" is enough to make me want to call here. Even vs someone who may not have much experience or be a rec guy donk + 3! otf mw is generally the goods. Maybe he shows up here with bad Q's sometimes but I doubt it. If we are calling otf to reevaluate, at what turn bet size is the point that you decide to fold or call?

Either way I feel like we can agree that villain will be betting almost every turn. I feel like best case scenario for those advocating calling otf is villain bets small ott and maybe otr. Unless villain goes super small most of the money will be going in anyway.

Based on your description of villain that hes not playing standard ABC poker, there's no way anyone here can give you a standard answer. Poker with a guy like that is all about feel. Not about standard lines. A guy like that is probably in a lot of pots. You should be watching every little move he makes especially when you arent in the hand which will be most of the time if you are playing tight. He will be giving you clues for the future hands you play against him if you are paying attention.

I don't mind a call here if he is totally clueless. Might slow him down quite a bit on turn. I don't mind a fold until I understand him better, either.

I'd probably raise more preflop after 2 limpers. We did manage to narrow the field to 3way in position with initiative, so not a bad result. However, I will say the difference between HU and 3way is pretty massive in terms of SPR (a difficult to play ~6 vs a slightly easier to play ~9).

As I say, difficult SPR of 6 where we will often get ourselves into commitment problems by the river with even small bets. Any raise basically automatically commits our stack. Do we want to commit our stack having put in just 5% of it preflop, especially against a guy that we have no idea where his head is at? I don't. So I'd just call the flop donk and evaluate the turn card/action in position. Even our raise size is wack; you realize we just gave him awesome 4:1 odds right, which is kinda pointless, imo.

As played, I'd probably just fold but against a guy who has no idea what he's doing / can overvalue hands this could definitely be a mistake.

ETA: FWIW, if we call the reraise, we'll have about a PSB left for the turn. This is pretty meh. We have to make the commitment decision now (and really that should have been made when considering to raise the flop in the first place, imo).

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raise to $20 pre is fine if it'll get hu. flop is player dependent. many 3bet with two pair+, some do it with TP

Calling flop and reevaluate is fine

^ This doesn't make any sense; if he's clicking buttons, his next bet is just another button.

^ No, it's not. It's just procrastination.


In the instant case, we need to make a decision OTF, and it isn't hard to do that. Do we want to proceed on with this hand and potentially go to the felt with TPTK, against this guy, when he's doing what he's doing. The only real resource we have is his bet sizing, so we just need to decide whether he would be betting this much with a hand that we're ahead of.

The line, "let's proceed ahead and see what the fish does next," is HORRIBLE, dysfunctional poker.

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As for the hand, don't be surprised if he shows up with KK. Seen many newbies play it this way.

Yeah, KK, QQ, JJ