very loose late night game

both villains loose fish who have been splashing around. but I think their ranges are strong when they are piling in money like this.

I suck deep like this but this was a great game. how to quickly figure out if this is a call at the table??

hero has $1100
BB has $950
SB has $470

hero raises A9 on btn to $10
SB calls $10. BB makes it $30. hero calls. SB calls.

flop is QJ9

SB checks. BB bets $55. hero calls $55. SB makes it $250. BB shoves all in quickly. about $880 for hero to call

didn't raise flop as I don't think there is any fold equity against these guys

pretty easy call imo

a quick way to figure it out is that if ur heads up getting 1:1 its pretty damn close with a combo draw. the addition of another opponent actually helps u quite a bit since u have to hit your hand to win anyways, and ur drawing to the nuts. So u lose the same if u miss but u win more if u hit. thats called a free roll.

worse case scenario would be if one of them had a set and the other had a smaller FD, in which case u cant have worse than 25%.

more likely is someone has a straight and someone has 2pair/a set. (or over pair)
in which case u probably have about 30%

also theres a chance they both have sets or both have 2 pair which is the dream scenario since they block eachothers boat outs. this would give u about 33% to win.

your pot odds are 865:1505 which means u need to win 36.5%to break even...

It's incredibly close. Calling is a gamble.

You can quickly do the math at the table, but I'd give myself nine outs, so about 36% (9x4), but you could have a few more or a few less.

This is a break even call. I think this spot is pretty indifferent. It doesn't really matter what you do here whether it's call or fold.

In breakeven spots we should gamble if we are properly rolled and handle tilt better than our opponents. And of course +1 degen

Agree. It's better if you calculate ahead of time so you can snap call and be excited about it.

With reasonable ranges this Neutral as mentioned.
But there is also a non zero chance he does this with combo draw holding the Kd
Hard for him to put you on Nut flush draw if he holds that.
Makes this closer to a call.

With bottom pair and the nut flush draw (plus a bit of equity from backdoor straights) we can have 40% or more of equity. Worst case is when one player has a set and the other has a straight or combo draw with two diamonds that block our flush outs. But that in itself is something of a parlay.

Call, and take a ride on the variance train.

I've got this as a fold.

i actually think u have to fold here.

if u have between 25%-33% equity and u need 36.5% to break even.

how can it be a call?

Vs a range of sets, straights and top 2 pair you are 36.8%.

If it's sets and straights only then you have 34.4%.

If either has a worse draw at all it's better. So that's why I say it doesn't really matter.

Call. We here to gamble or what?

I would raise flop $225 and overbet shove turn if both of them continue.

AP snap call. We’re flipping against QJss here

I don't know how you figure that--if one of them has a set or straight but the other has 2 diamonds, we're still up against a big hand but with some of our outs gone.

+1

the factor that it is very late makes this debatable.

if a 3 way all in where two players get stacked is going to break the game it might be better to just fold here.

results are either:
-we scoop and the game breaks
-we get felted and the game breaks
-we fold and keep a big stack in a very loose game where we can find good spots later

By the way, another factor to consider here--and only because this seems close otherwise--is that if the SB does not have a big hand or a worse draw than ours--both of which we don't want to see--he might actually fold a nonzero percentage of the time, which shortens our pot odds and could make this more of a fold.

I was going to mention the SB's folding, but that seems insane. It happens, though.