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05-10-2014 , 03:14 AM
V1 (92)- 45 yo white male, hasn't been at the table very long, tight
V2 (900)- 30 yo white male, loose preflop, can spaz postflop
Hero's Image (750)- 25 yo white male, tag

Preflop (4):
Hero is LP dealt AT
V1 limps in MP, Hero raises to 15, V2 calls from SB, V1 calls.

Flop (44):
A22
Checked to Hero who bets 15, both call.

Turn (89):
5
V2 bets 20, V1 jams for 62 Hero thinks for a bit and calls, V2 calls.

River (275):
9
Checks through.

I think V1 probably has an A, since he l/c I think my T is probably good enough to call given stack sizes. V2 could have like 32s or something I would discount AQ+ because he didn't 3b pf. I don't think there is value OTR so I check behind.
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05-10-2014 , 07:43 AM
Seems fine. Your flop bet is a tad small but I'm not betting much more on the flop anyways since the board is so dry. Neither of their lines make much sense but it's hard to narrow their range down enough where you don't have the equity to call this. If V1 is a true tight player it's a bit tougher, but since he hasn't been at the table very long your read can't be that great. If he's a typical LLSNL donk he could easily have like A6o here, and it's hard to imagine him flopping an A with 30bb and not stacking off.

There may be some value in a river bet, not sure. V2's play is somewhat consistent with a pair + straight draw that wanted to try and bink his gutshot OTR. Maybe something like 45 or A3, so he might call a small bet. I don't think check is bad though.
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05-10-2014 , 07:45 AM
why did you bet so small on the flop? do you think the calling ranges may be inelastic on this board? or do you think a super small bet is more likely to keep hands like 55 and QJ in, whereas they would fold for 25 or 30? my assumption would be no. those hands are taking same action for 15 that they are for 25. if you think that action is "fold" rather than "call", then i like checking this flop. you are giving away very very little equity to either range, taking away a street of betting, and maybe setting up to get bluffed or looked up lighter on turn/river.

i know that ggnoobthreadguy likes checking the turn to take a street of betting away with TP hands. sometimes when IP, on dry boards, i do that on the flop instead (not so much OOP).

i agree with koss that the lines are weird. but i still think i would probably fold on the turn. the action has been reopened to the donker and there's another street to play. idk.. id fold there.

Last edited by TeamKB; 05-10-2014 at 07:55 AM.
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05-10-2014 , 08:17 AM
Did you bet small on flop to not overrep your hand?
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05-10-2014 , 10:38 AM
I think AT is behind, but I do think we have enough equity to call given how this progressed.

A limp/call from a "tight" player from MP is going to be AT - AQ most of the time in this spot.

Granted, you said he wasn't at the table that long, but in this spot I expect to see him with AT - AQ most of the time. I guess we can also throw in Axs rags and he hit his 5 kicker. However, if A5s is in his range then other Axs rags are as well and given the weakness shown throughout the hand and the fact a call would put 50% of his chips in play I can easily see him shoving turn.

Hmmm.... so overall, I guess the call is okay. More of a shrug-sigh-shrug call. I think we are probably ahead of V1 40%-ish of the time so we do have the equity.
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05-10-2014 , 11:08 AM
Check flop. AP: Fold Turn once V1 Jams. River is a check.
Or, bet flop $40. Check/f turn and river unimproved.
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05-12-2014 , 08:32 AM
I'm folding the turn. With a tight player, who seemingly bought in short, raising AI with the PF raiser yet to act I think AT is behind. His RAI range: AT+/As5s. Perhaps even 55 if he perceived flop c-bet to be weak.

Pre - fine
Flop - perhaps $25-$30. Board is dry but I'd go for more value and to get HU.
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05-12-2014 , 08:51 AM
Yeah I guess it is a fold, probably fine to call with AJ+ though?

I bet small OTF to get called by mid pairs and weak Ax. The board is dry so I don't mind offering an enticing price.

Spoiler:
V2 shows 55, nh sir
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