Hi, this is my first time posting on 2+2 so please let me know on how to improve writing out my hand history and which key information I should add to make this post worth while.

I'm posting this 2 weeks after my vegas trip so some details are little gray.

This hand came about 20-30mins after I sat down at my table (the very first table I sat down for my vegas trip), so I don't have much read on people. But since the moment I sat down, I had QQ, AA, AQ and won 2 small pots with QQ and AQ but lost a big pot with AA vs a flop str8 (574 flop).

OTTH
Hero (MP, ~300) QQ
Villian(LP, covers)

Hero opens for 13 and gets 3 callers (MP, Villain, one of the blinds)

Flop: 478r.
I lead for 35, MP folds, Villain makes it 75, blind fold. I call. (Do I call/fold/raise here?)

Turn: 4.
I check, Villain bets 100.
Hero??

Considering a shove OTT since I've been raising a lot preflop and played a lot of hands since I sat down, so I thought I would have a loose/crazy image. So I thought the Villain range is wider because of my image and the hands that I can beat were TPTK, TP w/ str8 draw, 99~JJ, str8 draws and the range that I can't beat were sets, two pairs, and straight.

What do I do when I'm facing huge bets (almost getting stacked) with overpairs in a coordinate flop like this one and when I don't have much information on the table? Is the image/type of player(NIT/TAG/LAG) the only deciding factor when it comes to folding or going AI in this type of situations? What other factors should I consider before calling the flop raise and shipping it on the turn? Am I putting too much emphasis on my own image?

Thanks in advance.

consider raising more pre if you are getting 3+ callers most of the time

You get raised on the flop 478r. What hands would you raise with? do you beat any of them?

A really good player would find a fold on the flop. I would call the flop because its a small raise.

On the turn he bets again and it's a lot for 1/3. He is telling you he has 2 pair plus and wants to put his stack in. At this point I would fold.


only way I would change the above is if we had a read on V

Welcome to the forum, OP. Pretty good first post, just don't include what you did, in the future. I edited it out.

Nitty as it sounds, I prob fold to the flop raise readless. There really aren't many semi-bluffs available. Sure, your image may be a bit active, but V raise with the other two preflop callers yet to act.

As you can see, raising just because you have two big cards preflop can get you into dicey situations really fast for stacks postflop. I'd just fold to the flop raise, but imagine the difficulty you could have gotten yourself into had your opponent just flatted (where you would now just have $252 left in a getting bigger-by-the-moment $122 pot OOP and readless with a hand that is unlikely to improve to better than one pair).

GcluelessNLnoobG

If we're thinking of doing anything but continuing on one of the best cards in the deck for us (besides a queen), then we really shouldn't be continuing at all on the flop.

I'd amend that advice though if villain executed the full on fish nut line of minraise one street and bomb the next.

Line looks good, now shove turn. He can have 99-JJ, A8, T9, 87. Not a great spot obviously since he will have 65 or sets a bunch too, but we are folding just way too often if we fold QQ here.

are you suggesting we limp QQs here? I'm confused

Just make a super exploitative fold OTF knowing the vast majority of low limit players won’t raise you here with 99-JJ/A8 or semi-bluffs.

Bet/fold all the way always.

I'd fold the turn, confident that the evidence is pointing to a hand that beats yours.

There are factors you mentioned, such as your active preflop raising, that indicate maybe this villain is taking a stand. But you'd have to tell me more about their tendencies and your history with this particular player. And even then, the adjustment such a player will often make is to call down with a marginal hand.

I think the average raise was between 10~13 preflop but considering my position and hand, I should have raised it to like 15~18.

If I was the villan, I would raise the flop with only 2 pair+ and I would flat most of the draws, and TPTK and TP with Str8 draws since I'm in position. Should have considered what hands I would raise on the flop against a PFR and flop raiser.

The turn is a definite sign that he has two pair plus and I should have folded on the turn for sure and in retrospect, I should have re-evaluated my range for villain on turn. OTT, his range should be fullhouse, trip 4s with a str8 draw, and a str8. I think there's a very small chance he's betting the turn with 87, but unlikely.

Thanks for your input!

I'm suggesting put yourself into good spots. OP looks like they've put themselves into a spot that ain't that great for them. So yeah, he would probably do better limping in, especially in EP (mostly to reraise them, otherwise playing a small cautious pot if it limps around where nothing too damaging is likely to happen).

GcluelessNLnoobG

I've put in about 250 hours playing 1/3 at Aria so I have a good feel for the game in general there. A lot of what I would do here depends on the player type we're playing against and a little bit of live reads. I know you just sat down, but obviously, against an older guy just fold flop, and against a 26 year old white guy who's in Vegas for the weekend I would be calling. Against the general population Im calling flop because people raise here with 99-JJ. Turn 4 is the second best card in the deck as we now beat 78 and he has fewer combos of pocket 4s, so Im always calling, never raising. Im check folding basically any river besides a 4 or a queen because people never put in another barrel without the nuts on the river. As an example, even if he played Aces in this way, and the river was a 2o, I've found the population never goes for thin value in these spots so he'll no longer have 99-JJ in river barrel range.

The villain raised me even with 2 people left behind, this should have been a strong indicator that he had 2pair+ hands.

BTW, next time I post I'll stop at Villain raising me to 75 and then ask what to do. Thanks for the input!

Thanks! Your line seems to hit me the most here as I forgot to mention that I thought my hand improved as it paired the board which then triggered my shove. After hearing your line, maybe I should have just called the turn for 100 (but now more than half my stack is in the pot, am I pot committed the river to call?) and check/fold the river unless I improve?

I actually thought that low limit players will raise me here with an overpair and even stack off with an overpair. Should I adjust my expectations of low limit players? And what do you mean by super exploitative fold?

Thanks!

I think I'm raising here preflop almost all the time, not just because I have two big cards but to thin out the field (don't want to play OOP) and also get value for my premium hands. But I understand the crappy situation I'll be in once I call the flop raise and be in a position where I'm OOP, not sure where I stand against villain, a big pot, and not many cards to improve my hand. However, I still think I should bet and probably bet big preflop with QQ and proceed with caution depending on the texture of the board.

Thanks for your input!

When writing my post I forgot your exact stack size. With your stack a turn shove is pretty close to a call. Really, all three options of call, shove, and fold seem pretty close in EV to me on the flop and turn (with the exception being I dont like a flop raise), and as I said in my original post it would come down to the player type as to which way I would lean.